Fretless electric guitar…

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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby tinsmith » Sat Sep 01, 2012 1:12 am

My friend used "Mean Tone."
You can use anything, but he was out there.
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Buffalo_Bill » Sat Sep 01, 2012 4:57 pm

OK, so what is “Mean Tone”? :?:
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby ricbleu » Sun Sep 02, 2012 2:56 am

Don't ask me :? I'm lost. BB in cases like your guitar getting lost, is there a full insurance cover on that instrument? So now you turn right round and buy another one. I hope this one gets off the ground, or on the ground, or... whatever... :D Peace
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Buffalo_Bill » Sun Sep 02, 2012 12:15 pm

ricbleu wrote:Don't ask me :? I'm lost. BB in cases like your guitar getting lost, is there a full insurance cover on that instrument? So now you turn right round and buy another one. I hope this one gets off the ground, or on the ground, or... whatever... :D Peace
Yes I'll get my money back, but my project is delayed.
I see FedEx has a new delivery date for Thursday, but no other info. :arrow: :?:
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Buffalo_Bill » Thu Sep 06, 2012 9:12 pm

Well, the Samick Torino was delivered today. :)
Compares to the Epiphone G-400, but no pretty MOP inlay or veneer. :|
Wide fingerboard, set neck, plays good, I like it.
Made of Nato, the common substitute for American mahagony these days. (That's a long complicated story, I've discovered).
Nice pups, plenty strong enough, and I can get some cool jazz sounds too.
Balances well on the thigh, but a tad neck heavy from a strap.
Before I pull the frets off, I'm gonna play around with this and compare it to other guitars.
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby tinsmith » Thu Sep 06, 2012 11:43 pm

Mean Tone back in the days when G# was different from Ab...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meantone_temperament
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Buffalo_Bill » Fri Sep 07, 2012 3:28 am

I followed your link:
WOW, Meantone theory is so heavy, I can't pick it up. :blink:
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby tinsmith » Sat Sep 08, 2012 2:07 am

Well...he was a Berklee guy....They exist for theory
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Buffalo_Bill » Sun Sep 16, 2012 3:56 pm

Finally got the gumption up to pull the frets off… :oops: That took some will power, as this is a great sounding guitar.

I decided to go all out with fiberglass tape and epoxy, because I want a very hard fingerboard.
Taped off for wood filler here:
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I did this SX Jazz bass a few years ago, but using J-B Weld epoxy to fill the fret slots, and no over coat of epoxy.
Works great with Fender nylon tape wound strings.
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This video of Ned Everett playing fretless is awe inspiring:
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Buffalo_Bill » Sun Sep 16, 2012 6:42 pm

This is after sanding the wood filler.
Bummer how all the slot imperfections are revealed by the wood filler. :oops:
But, Rosewood splinters real easy. I could have used a dark filler, but I prefer to have the help of fret lines to guide my fingering.
I could have used veneer shoved into the slots, and that would have made clean lines…Live and learn. :roll:
The dusty appearance will change to dark, after the epoxy is applied.
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Progress update here, epoxy and glass tape applied and curing:
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby kiwiblues » Sun Sep 16, 2012 11:13 pm

It's all double Dutch to me (Unfortunately) :roll: :lol: :(
tinsmith wrote:Mean Tone back in the days when G# was different from Ab...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Meantone_temperament
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Bant's Bluz » Mon Sep 17, 2012 11:34 pm

Bill, I don't know if you have any scrap to work with, but if you do, drop by Wal Mart and pick up some Birchwood Casey True oil and give it a try. They should have it in the sporting goods (read guns) section.
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Blues.guitar.nick » Mon Oct 08, 2012 1:49 am

Wow that sounds great! I just have one question: why take off the frets?
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Buffalo_Bill » Mon Oct 08, 2012 9:20 pm

Well I been very busy with many other projects meant to provide food and shelter, but I got 'er done!
My using fiberglass tape was a bad idea, because it's not needed, and it trapped air bubbles that can be seen.
I think it's a success, it does have decent sustain, compared to raw wood, and sustain is very important.
It is gonna take me some time to learn to utilize the new style options of fretless guitar, and I think the fingerboard and strings should be lubricated some for easy sliding. I'll try some furniture polish first.
I like to play clean too, more than overdrive.
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Re: Fretless electric guitar…

Postby Buffalo_Bill » Tue Feb 05, 2013 8:30 pm

Well, I never got into playing fretless guitar, but I love fretless bass.
So, I decided now is the time to refret this Torino, as it is an excellent solid body with killer Duncan pickups.

My epoxy job was not so good, so I ground it off with a belt sander:
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Then fine sanded and leveled the fretboard with a 12" radius contoured sanding block:
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Had to pry and cut the neck binding off:
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Then cut the fret slots:
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