Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

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Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby papatex » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:32 am

Hello guys- I just recently joined and haven't posted for awhile,
though I check in occasionally for new threads. Thought I'd stop
and say hello, and welcome the new guys. I went out and bought a
copy of "Ray" on dvd- (it was released Tues.) I didn't get to see
it in the theater, so I've been looking forward to it, and I wasn't
disappointed. Thought they did a great job. Also, I have a question
for anyone who may know. I recently picked up a compilation of
Ray tunes which includes Drown In My Own Tears. I flipped over this
tune as a kid listening to Johnny Winter's version, which I think
is great too, but it was only a few years ago I discovered Ray had
done it earlier. Anyway, I put this cd on and sat down to start to
figure out the changes, and it sounds to me like it's in C sharp.
Can anyone confirm this? It's just that I haven't ever heard a
Blues tune recorded in that key, and it seems a little unusual.
Is it possible it was recorded in C or D and there was a tape speed
problem when they put it on cd? (This seems unlikely, since Ray's
voice would have not sounded natural.) Mike King
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby doc williamson » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:08 pm

Well All Right Mike! There are a few threads going on about the "Ray" DVD. I'm glad you got it. You have chosen one of my very favorite Brother Ray songs. Ray did the original and as far as I'm concerned did the definitive version of this great song. Johnny's, though good, is simplified a bit.

I have my gear packed up in the car to play 5 gigs in the next 4 days this week so I got out my melodica and a Ray Charles CD. Yes, the original key is C#. I figured it out over 40 years ago when I was about 9 years old and forgot the original key. I play it in C but now you know why many guitar players have a hard time with the keys piano players love. C# is the ideal key to play this in because of the vibe of the key. F (the key of love) is my favorite key to play in, not only for the sound of the key but I sing best in The Key of Love. Can you think why F is called The Key of Love? :-)

I already think I know your next question...Doc, could you please write out the chord chart? The short answer is I think you should figure it out first and post the chord chart and I'll help with the chords that are a little different and the subtleties. I need to have my keyboard setup to write it out anyway, I play it without thinking about the chords anymore my fingers and soul know where to go.

One last tip...DON'T push the tempo of this song. It is meant to be played at the absolute slowest tempo possible. That way you get all the soul and sorrow out of the song.

Quincy Jones said the following about the tempo Brother Ray plays in many songs and "Drown In My Own Tears" in particular, "If Ray Charles played a song any slower it would stop." That quote is so poignant, true and funny all at the same time I just love it.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby bradk » Mon Feb 07, 2005 5:21 pm

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Feb-07-05 AT 12:28 PM (EST)]edit... oops, Doc beat me to it. Doc's right about the tempo, Ray plays way behind the beat.



Hey Mike, it's in Db. He's recorded other songs in that key also(This little girl of mine). Ray was unique, he didn't seem to favor any particular keys, he could play in any of them. It's probably due to the fact that he had that incredible voice and could sing in any key he wanted to. He also loved bebop which you had to have that kind of skill to keep up.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby papatex » Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:02 pm

Thanks guys- Doc, I'll post the chords I come up with, but it'll
probably take me a few days, I've got a pretty busy week coming up,
but I plan to play a least a little every day;-) I'm sure my version
will be somewhat simplified too. A little trivia: Fathead Newman was
born in my hometown (Corsicana, Texas), though the family moved to
Dallas when he was still a baby.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby doc williamson » Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:05 pm

>edit... oops, Doc beat me to it. Doc's right about the
>tempo, Ray plays way behind the beat.
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>Hey Mike, it's in Db. He's recorded other songs in that key
>also(This little girl of mine). Ray was unique, he didn't
>seem to favor any particular keys, he could play in any of
>them. It's probably due to the fact that he had that
>incredible voice and could sing in any key he wanted to. He
>also loved bebop which you had to have that kind of skill to
>keep up.

Great to see you again Brad! The "Ray" sound track now has two CDs! Both are a greatest hits compilations but, the second is priceless. There are parts of two tracks that are JUST Ray playing piano and singing. I had never heard either before. The standout for me was his "Drown In My Own Tears" and that alone makes the CD a must have. There is dialog after each of those partial solo Ray tracks and they are not complete songs but, still indispensable to me.

Mike, Db and C# are the same keys.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby doc williamson » Mon Feb 07, 2005 6:09 pm

Hi Mike ~ Great trivia! I think if you post it in C more folks here could play it and it would be easier for me to help with it.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby ricochet » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:13 pm

>in The Key of Love. Can you think why F is called The Key of
>Love? :-)

Of course.

Guitarist: "Damn! There's that f***in' key again!"
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby ricochet » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:15 pm

BTW, "Green Onions" is in F, too.
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Postby doc williamson » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:30 pm

Dr. Ric you are correct on The Key of Love!

I figured out "Green Onions" when it first came out and play it in F. I love Booker T, Steve Cropper, Duck Dunn and Al Jackson.

I also play a medley of three songs that usually start one of my sets you might like:

"Green Onions" - Booker T. and The MGs
"T-Bone Shuffle (Let Your Hair Down People) - T-Bone Walker
"Help Me" (Fm) - Sonny Boy Williamson II
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby ricochet » Mon Feb 07, 2005 7:45 pm

That sounds like a fun medley!

Piece of Booker T. & the M.G.s trivia: They recorded an impromptu blues jam in the studio (which I really dig, BTW) and had to give it a name. One of them said "That's really funky, it really stinks. What's the stinkiest thing you can think of?" and they thought of names for things that stink, settling on "Green Onions." They also recorded a dance tune they'd worked on for two weeks, naming it "Behave Yourself." Stax put out the record intending "Behave Yourself" to be the "A" side and "Green Onions" to be the "B" side. In the production process, someone got the tracks and names mixed up, so "Behave Yourself" was still the "A" side, but named "Green Onions," and vice versa. "Green Onions" (intended to be "Behave Yourself") went on to become a hit in 1962, and I just can't imagine it would've been the same with the other name.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby bradk » Mon Feb 07, 2005 10:06 pm

>Great to see you again Brad! The "Ray" sound track now has
>two CDs! Both are a greatest hits compilations but, the
>second is priceless. There are parts of two tracks that are
>JUST Ray playing piano and singing. I had never heard either
>before. The standout for me was his "Drown In My Own Tears"
>and that alone makes the CD a must have. There is dialog
>after each of those partial solo Ray tracks and they are not
>complete songs but, still indispensable to me.

Thanks Doc, same here. I'll be looking for that soundtrack. Sounds great!


>Mike, Db and C# are the same keys.
Sorry to add confusion. I always think flat keys out of habit.

btw..
I've been working up solo guitar arangements of some of my favorite Ray tunes and should have me a simple recording setup in a week or so. I'll post some of the results to let you hear. Hopefully I'll do them somekind of justice.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby barbequebob » Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:13 am

Not only does this tune have to be played at the slowest possible tempo, it also has to be played VERY FAR behind the beat, which makes this an extremely difficult tune to play and rockers, who are generally more accustomed to playing AHEAD of the beat, always have a hard time with this tune.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby doc williamson » Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:01 pm

Brad, the CD is named "More Music From "Ray" or something like that.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby doc williamson » Tue Feb 08, 2005 2:12 pm

More great trivia, Dr. Ric thank you. This brings up another question I have thought about for years.

It must be a little bit of a challenge to come up with titles for instrumentals. I'm thinking about all of Booker T & The MGs and The Ventures, etc. I wonder how Ray Charles came up with the title of "One Mint Julep" for his classic instrumental.
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RE: Ray and Drown In My Own Tears

Postby bradk » Tue Feb 08, 2005 3:59 pm

I looked this up on Google as I've always wonder what it was.

A mint julep is a mix drink:

"A 'mint julep' is a alcoholic drink, the classic mint julep as made in Kentucky, starts with a chilled silver mug or goblet filled with crushed ice. Dissolve 1 lump of sugar in a little water, fill with bourbon, add the dissolved sugar and stir well. Place 4 or 5 sprigs of fresh mint down into the ice."

Looks like the song was actually written and recorded first by a band called The Clovers in 1952. So in fact, Ray covered the song.
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