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Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 4:05 pm
by ashm86
Played out for the first time last night and got a whole heaping helping of humilty.

I was invited to play in a small bar with some guys I know. No drummer, just bass and guitar. They did not know what I kenw, and I did not know what they knew.

I got to play one 12 bar and that went ok, then it was on to I'm Waiting for My Man, and some other VU tunes along with some improv type stuff. I was WAYYYYYYY out of my depth. It felt totally uncomfortable.

I guess I need to learn how to play in standard tuning so I can at least try and keep up.

anyone else ever feel like a fool sitting up there?

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:11 pm
by jeffl
No sweat. Nearly everybody's been through it. You need to go through stuff like that, or at least it's a growing experience. The main thing is if people have a good time, so even if you're struggling don't let the crowd see ya' sweat.. it makes them uncomfortable. You'll get better.

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Sat Mar 21, 2009 5:37 pm
by allanlummox
At one of my early gigs - around 1982 - a table full of drunk marines asked for their money back, just HOPING we'd argue the point. We were too loud, couldn't play very well yet, and REALLY didn't want to get beat up. The next band meeting was one of sober realization - 2 members of that band are working musicians today, the other 2 left the band not long after, since the work got harder...it's how you know if a musician's is really for you!

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 9:14 pm
by ashm86
The funny thing is, I think I would have been more comfortable by myself. I could not hear myself and I could not seem to get a good tone, it was not my amp..

I think I need to get an external eq device for my schatten on my tricone. Straight into the amp I did not seem to get a decent sound out of it....

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:00 pm
by allanlummox
Look at the Baggs Para Acoustic DI - a preamp and EQ for acoustic guitars that works very well for a lot of situations.

http://www.stewmac.com/shopby/Brand/L.R.Baggs/Electronics,_pickups/L_R_Baggs_Para_Acoustic_DI.html

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 10:46 pm
by bacchant
Its good to see you suck. You can do something about it. Be thankful you're not one of those people that suck but don't realize it. :)

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Sun Mar 22, 2009 11:30 pm
by ashm86
Well, I am going to try again on Tuesday night at the local pub open mic night.

I think I will wait until the place clears out around midnight or so an try again. I am gonna take my own amp so I know how to set up.

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 11:16 am
by maxx england
I use a small amp that I can get my sound out of and run it through my own instrument mic into a p.a. if it's possible. Saves herniating yourself dragging the big kit about.

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 3:35 pm
by boogiechillun85
Yeah, if you're planning on jamming with other people you should really work out some stuff in standard. I love playing my dulcimer, but I never bring it out unless I'm playing solo, cause if the song's not in D or G I'm SOL.

I don't think another piece of gear is going to do the trick. Get up there solo a couple of times so you get comfortable onstage. Jam with other people in somebody's house so you're comfortable playing with others. The tone thing will take care of itself, to a certain extent. But it's not going to be some silver bullet that suddenly makes every gig a breeze.

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 4:56 pm
by maxx england
I haven't played standard in years. I worked out where the notes and chords had moved to in open E and got on with it.

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:45 pm
by ashm86
I am not that advanced as yet. I only know a handful of songs. All in open D/E or open G/A. the only standard tuning songs I know are Have you Ever Seen the Rain and My Girl....

My repitoire consists of:

Open D/E:

Dust My Broom
Back door man
It Hurts Me too
Sky is crying/sun is shining
various 8/12/16 bar patterns

open G/A:

Little Red Rooster
Boogie Chillen
Long Haired Doney
I Feel Like Going Home


I really wanted to do a one chord boogie/vamp in G. I can solo a little over top and I can keep the pattern interesting for about 6 minutes and carry it on my own. But that was a no go. I'm not sure why I was vetoed on that but c'est la vie I guess.

I have to admit, they knew my limitations. They had played all night and had not played any of those songs at all. I figured I would get up and they would play what I knew.

I got invited up and played a 12 bar(which I felt went ok and so did the "crowd"), then it was off into whatever. I felt like I got hamstrung. I felt like I was setup to fail :-(

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 7:51 pm
by maxx england
I'm involved with a community music project, and I've found that non blues players are actually horrified at the thought of going somewhere without a road map or page full of dots, and seek to hide that behind abusive behaviour towards the blues.

Basically, we can step in anywhere and jam; rockers can't (ever seen 5 players all arguing over which version of a "classic" they're going to play?) unless they're actually bloody good and they're actually often a little unnerved by our ability to just plain do it without our hands being held.

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 8:27 pm
by Slim
How do you confuse a blues player?
Put a sheet of music in front of him.

How do you confuse a Jazz player?
Take away his sheet music.

Little joke around Frenchmen Street....Not necessarily true but to some degree, I guess.

Non Blues players also don't get the thirty minute one chord jam either. They can't figure out how to keep it from being boring I suppose.

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Mon Mar 23, 2009 9:47 pm
by maxx england
But you're freed of trying to fit music into a box when you go tonic groove, no limits, nothing. This is another example of the hypocrisy we have to deal with from a non blues audience, first it's too constricted, then you take the brakes off and then the poor dumb bunnies can't cope with it being freed.

Sod it, I'm going somewhere private and play on my own. Rico will probably also go somewhere private and play with himself too :wha: :mrgreen:

Re: Ugh, realized how much I suck

PostPosted: Tue Mar 24, 2009 2:10 am
by ashm86
Well, I like the one chord vamp. I can keep a boogie interesting for quite a while. I was trying to work on changes in context to the one chord vamp, but I now just go with whatever... No context, just when I feel the need for a switch up...

I know that if I am playing with other people, I need to follow a specific pattern, but when I boogie alone.....