Music stands etc on stage - verdict ?

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Music stands etc on stage - verdict ?

Postby snakehips » Wed Mar 15, 2006 10:39 pm

Hi there !

I'm sure this will be controversial - but it should stimulate good debate I hope, not hate mail !! Below, is entirely my OWN views - views that I am entitled to !!

Thought I'd share a gripe I have about some bands I see.

It make my toes curl when I see a band perform and they have music stands with goodness knows what set up on them - lyrics, scores/music etc. I just think it looks so unprofessional - I mean, why not just learn the songs you are going to play ? And if you can't remember the stuff, or don't know how to play it without sheet music - then don't gig it until you have learnt it !!

I'll even see it with a band that are just playing 3 chord blues tunes all night long - where is the problem there ?
(of course, I only play 3 chord blues stuff !!)

Of course, I'm expecting some will say they like to have a huge repertoire of songs to pull from, and pick and chose during a gig, depending on what "feels" will go down well on that particular night - Yes, I understand that - however, I am impressed with someone's musical talent if they have a large repertoire that they know and can play - but not if they are just gonna pull out sheet music and slavishly play what is on the sheet music.
I'm impressed with someone's musical diversity and talent, not the size of their "gig book of tunes".

Go gentle on me !
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Postby 1four5 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:26 am

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-15-06 AT 07:31 PM (EST)]We use them, as we play for fun and for free (although we have gotten some good meals, shirts, and small freebees for playing). If they don't like the stands, well, at least they get their money's worth.

With that said however, we are just starting out and gaining experience doing small stuff, company parties, festivals and rest homes. Our book contains 100+ songs, always growing, and we are committing many favs to memory. Believe me, if we ever get something big, or get paid...we'll loose the music stands.

On a personal note, I don't sing so I don't have to memorize lyrics. I have most of the stuff memorized, and what I don't I could probably fake ok...however, at our level, the books are a big help in preventing break, intro and ending errors...or even what song is next.
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Postby dcblues » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:22 am

Believe it or not, some blues players can actually read music. Horn players often need charts, especially ones that have been hired by bands they don't normally play with. Not all blues is simple, 3 chord, 12 bar music.
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Postby mickeypainless » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:47 am

They're also good for shelving a pack of smokes, a Zippo lighter and atleast 3 harps! :7
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Postby jaybee » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:26 am

>...
>I'll even see it with a band that are just playing 3 chord
>blues tunes all night long - where is the problem there ?
>(of course, I only play 3 chord blues stuff !!)
>...

the problem isn't the 3 chords (sometimes I'll even throw in a FOURTH (!!!, even though you may get away with playing three chords all night, you sure as ##[bleep]## won't get away with singing the same lyrics over and over again - so I have my map with lyrics as "safety blanket": I know 95% of the lyrics and I can easily "fake" the missing 5%, as long as that map is lying around somewhere on stage - take it away and I'm lost (half the time I even forget to turn to the right page, so it's just there on the lyrics for the song we did 45 minutes ago...)

I do try to "cover it up", I have the lyrics printed large enough so I don't need them cloes up, and usually just prop the map up against the monitor, so you won't really notice it from the audience side. In one band we had two of those "big band style" stands with our logo on them - they were part of the "decorum"(AND they had a second shelve for cigarettes, lighter and ashtray)
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Postby snakehips » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:06 pm

Hi again !

All cool replies - thanks !
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Postby jeffl » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:38 pm

I think that if you need stands,take them with you. If you practice and play enough,you may not need them long. If you need charts or cheat sheets,and don't take them with you, then shame on you; I would never take a chance on screwing up the whole nite cuz I wuz worried about music stands. People are not unaccustomed to seeing stands on stage...all large bands and orchestras use them,and there are tons of other examples. Some bands jus' print their cheat sheets in large print,and throw 'em right on the floor where the crowd is less apt to see 'em. And the point made about "call" musicians needing them is very valid; the casinos are full of "name" entertainers with "call" musicians. The keyboarder I last worked with for a few months had a spiral notebook with a prompt page for each tune,which included warnings about tricky intros,stops,turns,etc; he simply layed it on top his Korg.I'm sure that when he got the tune down,he jus' lost the need to turn to the cheat page. Using a stand is not strictly a sign of unprofessionalism...there have always been "day jobs",and if you have one, you won't have the time to practice and rehearse 5-6 hours/day in order to get the music down.
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Postby bosco » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:38 pm

I understand all of the reasons they are used, and likewise the reasons they are despised. That said, I don't like them. Your average bar blues band should have enough of a handle on their material to get them through the night, I don't think Snake was talking about symphony orchestra scores or musicians called in from the local union hall here.

I have noticed a strange phenonmenon. Some guys my age (both sides of 50) use stands now when they wouldn't have been caught dead using them 20 years ago. I surmise that this is for two reasons- their memory for lyrics just isn't what it used to be, and their repertoire has grown exponentially in 20 years.

Personally, I don't want to keep so many songs in my repertoire that I have to look them up. I keep my lyrics in bold type in a notebook which I have laying flat on the stage, in case I have a brainfart I can just glance down...usually for newer songs I have just learned. Once I've sung them a few times they are committed to memory.

It should be noted that for the local guys I know that use stands, they are for lyrics only, not music arrangements...they can play that stuff in their sleep. Good topic for discussion.

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Postby allanlummox » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:43 pm

I always have my material commited to memory - it takes longer to memorize but it means that during a show, I can concentrate on show.

That said, I've seen Jazz people with music on stands kill.
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Postby 601blues » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:48 pm

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-16-06 AT 09:49 AM (EST)]Theres exceptions to every rule, but my experience with reading music on stage or practise has not been good ,you come to rely on the sheet and not memorize your work and I feel unless you have it in your mem you really cain't explore the posiabilty of the song,I played with a band once They had binders made up of all there songs,at practise the leader would call out a number and everyone would turn, and I noticed after months none of them could play with out the music!!in front of them, I read music very well,but I use that to learn the song and then put it away
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RE: Music stands etc on stage - verdict ?

Postby dcblues » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:44 pm

In my old acoustic band we sometimes played with a bass player who didn't regularly gig with us. One of our guitarists had charts for him and he would use them at gigs. He needed them for some of the songs he was unfamiliar with and went way beyond three chords.

I'd rather see someone read music and use a stand that a guitarist with a strat, SRV hat, tube screamer and an amp turned to 11. :)
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RE: Music stands etc on stage - verdict ?

Postby ricochet » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:35 pm

I can't tell the difference between an SRV hat and an Esteban hat. They look the same.

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RE: Music stands etc on stage - verdict ?

Postby 601blues » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:45 pm

[updated:LAST EDITED ON Mar-16-06 AT 01:46 PM (EST)]You tell the diff by what kinda head is in da hat!!!
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Postby lightninboy » Thu Mar 16, 2006 8:01 pm

I use a stand at the side of the stage, in case I forget a lyric.
I only need to glance at it once, to jog my memory, and only if its a newish song.
If you stare at a stand all night, you wont connect with the audience.

I've read music from a stand in Jazz bands at times, especially when I was sitting in with someone, or doing session work.

Don't need to read music for blues though!
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Postby jaybee » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:37 pm

ever wonder what the tv screens on stage with "big names" are for? Guess they can use some help in the "remember-the-lyrics-department" too, every now and then ;)
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