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PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 12:00 pm
by 601blues
as you see 1 gets 10 yrs another gets 5 months probation, the scale is not balanced at all, and that 5 months was kept hush hush locally I never heard the results, anyway he may have gotton some sypathy!!But it the way the law see's the situation,
But we show violent shows the wrestling matches where men beat each other there heros,you have kids acting this out in back yard matches and some end in injury or some deaths,
They think its acceptable, hero's killing everybody with a gun that shoots 300 rpm and leaving em laying there no consiquences for ther actions at all, this is what is filled in peoples minds and kids minds when they watch all that, Then they want a gun!!GEZZ! kids, grown ups, everybody has got to be aware of what you fill your minds with!! Knowing its not real is no defense, porno,violence etc.will become part of your sub thoughts, I as a musician will listen to the type or music style I like ,and don't listen to the stuff Iam not interested in playing, whether we want to admit it or not the fact remains we become what we surround ourselves with, And to Think Iam OK because I know its not real is Bull shit, Everything you say,eat,where you go,what you do for a job,entertaiment,hobbies,the clothes you wear,the car you drive, music you listen too, all has a direct impact on who you are and the way you think,


PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:21 pm
by bigdaddy
I agree completely. We perform "Hey Joe" and I love playing the song, it's fun on bass but I do not agree with the violence towards women the song tells about. I've thought of asking the boss to change the lyrics to "hey Joe, where you going with that pen in your hand, I'm going down to divorce my old lady, you know I caught her messin' around with another man". Seems silly but I hate the shooting of the woman in the song.
I would not let my son's go to school dressed like gang bangers. It wasn't going to happen. They complained back then but today in their 20's they understand why. We have to be responsible for our actions and all of our actions. The media and entertainment industry should do the same. Cage fighting is brutal and makes me cringe watching it.
There was a drive by in front of my house Sunday night. The punks shot the house up across the street from me, hit it eight times. The people that live are not gang bangers but they dress like them and drive SUV's with monster stereo's blasting hip hop crap. These people are like in there 30's yet they dress and act like 15 year olds. They have pit bulls and that whole hip hop image going on. They don't like me because I have called the police on their crap to many times. It did get them to shut the noise up after ten at night and put them barking, worthless dogs in the house at night tho.
I agree, we are what we do, you're right 601.


PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:31 pm
by Reverend Mojo
While I understand the sentiment about "Hey Joe" there is a long tradition of violence, gun and otherwise, towards women in the blues. I'm not endorsing it...just pondering the level to which we should censor ourselves. I grew awful fond of Johnny Cash's "Delia's Gone" during my divorce, but it really bothers my current fiancee when I play it now. Funny that...


PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:41 pm
by 601blues
Same here BD I raised 4 sons inNew Orleans, worked my azz off to keep them outta public school,They had work to do at home, clean rooms etc,in the summer I took them on construction jobs with me, they helped whom ever needed help, NO video games!!!!>. guitars ,pianos ,sax's, ball gloves, bats ,footballs, were all they had, I watched very closely the friends they chose, Of course they tried the evrybody else has or is doing this and that, I would respond TOO DAMN BAD!! Now when my oldest went into miltary, he called and thanked me for teaching him the things he needed as a man, he said most every body else was spoiled brats, Now the parents take up for little Johnny, against teachers and police, My middle son told his Momma if I get in jail my dad would be the last one I would call, I would tell them to keep me !!so my dad can't get me!!HAHAHA! Its the truth!!!


PostPosted: Wed Jan 23, 2008 6:46 pm
by grady
601blues wrote: we become what we surround ourselves with, And to Think Iam OK because I know its not real is Bull shit, Everything you say,eat,where you go,what you do for a job,entertaiment,hobbies,the clothes you wear,the car you drive, music you listen too, all has a direct impact on who you are and the way you think,

I disagree.

When we were kids, we played "Army", we played Cowboys & Indians, etc.
Well, in my Adult Life, I've yet to have the urge to scalp a Native American when I see one.

By your Logic, everyone's personality would change whenever they wore something different, ate something different or traded vehicles.
Sounds like a Schizophrenic Society.

I play Blues but, I don't run around dressed like a old black man from the 30's. If I did, it wouldn't make my music any better or worse.

This is where the Common Sense thing comes into play.
You have to be able to distinguish right from wrong.
You have to teach the kids right from wrong.

You can sit around with your Children watching nothing but Christian Television, that's not going to shape what your kids turn out to be.
How many Preacher's kids did you grow up with who turned out to be total heathens ??
I know quite a few.

On the other hand, it's a good thing Kids don't always grow up to be like their Parents.
In my case, that's a very good thing.
My Father was one of those so-called "Real Men" you hear about. A highly decorated ex-Green Beret.
Not just a "grunt" but rather The top of the heap Military guy.
He was also a very abusive,sadistic f*ck who couldn't adjust to Life outside of the Military.

I thank God every day that I didn't grow up to be like him.

My Step-Son who spent his entire childhood playing video games is getting ready to graduate from College in 2 and a half years instead of the usual 4.
He plans to continue his education after that in a much larger college. His College education has cost us exactly $0.00 because he has a Academic scholarship.
So, that dispells the belief that violent video games causes bad behaviour.


PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:32 am
by bigdaddy
Not every kid who plays violent video games or watches violent movies becomes bad, that is true. But there are cases where that is the very thing that got young people to act out murders. Some, and I believe very few, children are weak in the brain and are influenced by what they see and what they play. I think these violent video games are dreamed up from reality itself. Why are drunken, stupid movie stars and musicians idolized? Some rappers are pimps and drug dealers that young people look up to. Why are the bad, degenerates of society being admired? Why does the media promote that crap? I know that parents have to teach their children that this behavor is crap and that the people doing it are only doing it for money and fame. I remember going thru the lyrics of my son's CD's and explaining what they mean. Teaching them what is real and what is bogus, what matters and what doesn't matter. Not all parents do this for their children. If parents don't teach them then where will they learn it?


PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 12:55 am
by grady
bigdaddy wrote: If parents don't teach them then where will they learn it?

That's exactly my point.
You have to teach them right from wrong.
You have to take interest in your children, spend time with them,etc.

Banning Video Games, Movies, etc. is not the answer.
If they don't do it at your house then, they'll be playing those video games, watching those movies at their friend's house.

You can keep your kid away from drugs their entire childhood, that doesn't mean they won't try them the minute one of their friends says it's the "cool" thing to do.


PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 1:46 pm
by bignick
I agree with Grady. I've never agreed with the whole violent video games breed violence thing. They don't breed violence on their own. Keeping your kids away from anything violent, obscene, etc will only make your kid want to experience these things more once they hear about them from other kids. Sheltering makes for rebellious and naive kids.

I had a couple of friends going up (two separate families) that were home schooled to keep them away from any music with profanity, any literature or movies with violence, sexual education, etc. They even made them sell their comic books to me. How would you like to be TOLD to sell all of your comic books to one of your best friends? They were also made to attend church twice a week with bible school as well. When they both were finally subjected to the world, one of them ran away to live in his car and the other did everything to the extreme and ended up becoming a drunken mess.

If your kids understand reality enough to known what is real and what is not, they will be fine. I do think there are ages where certain content is inappropriate, but shocking content is becoming rarer this day and age. We are to the point now where it is almost better to teach your kids about this stuff so they understand before some other kid tells them.

On the gun issue...I am glad that so many of you are responsible. After we were robbed last year I have debated getting a gun many times but my wife does not want one in the house. Both of our friends worked for an armored truck business and they both have handguns and carry them everywhere. While I would never want to shoot anyone, there are nights where I've woke up in a panic after hearing a noise and was wishing I had more than just an Aikido Jo next to my bed.


PostPosted: Thu Jan 24, 2008 2:14 pm
by ricochet
I have twice been in the situation of believing an intruder was inside my house. (Once some guys were attempting to break in and left when I turned a light on, but I thought they were already in, once it was an improperly closed door that blew open.) Even though I was well armed, it was plenty terrifying! I would never willingly place myself in the position of being unable to defend myself.


PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 7:55 am
by badfinger
The graphic depiction - even lauding - of violence in films, TV, pop music (including blues), computer games, all news media... etc., doesn't necessarily turn people into sadistic monsters, but it undoubtedly plays a significant part in hardening people to the idea of violence, rendering it acceptable to the point where it no longer shocks and appals, but, in many cases, seems to delight.

Not only do we now have large slices of visual entertainment devoted to as many buckets of blood and dismemberments as can be scripted (see, for example the new Sweeney Todd film) we have sick people freely relishing (and evangelising) the various nasty video clips of murder and carnage available on the internet.

And as for children being able to separate fact from fantasy: the distinction is often undefinable in any person of any age. (Never definable, if you heed, eg, Alvarez, et al.)


PostPosted: Sun Jan 27, 2008 9:27 am
I'm with Grady on this one. I've been in the war, spent years practicing and teaching martial arts, hunted all my life, fired many a weapon. I've been attacked and defended myself. In many ways I've been "surrounded" by forms of violence yet I don't have a need to kill without defensive cause nor am I unable to distinguish right from wrong. Despite my love for action pack movies, I've yet to blow up cars or buildings to see a fiery spectacle. Despite watching (and enjoying) many a Roadrunner cartoon, I do not feel I could go over a cliff unscathed or be blown up by a stick of dynamite and get only a blackened face and tangled limbs.


PostPosted: Mon Jan 28, 2008 11:13 am
by maxx england
That's it really, I grew up in a postwar country, we all played "war", but we had parents who taught us to disavow actual violence. They'd seen too much already.


PostPosted: Wed Jan 30, 2008 4:23 pm
by bluejay
As for "Hey Joe" and other violent or misogynistic songs, rather than try to adjust the lyrics, why not just write your own song with lyrics that reflect your own moral sensibilities? The worry over somehow condoning amoral behavior by repeating the artifacts of the past (e.g. old songs) will disappear and you'll actually be working toward creating the moral sensibility that is driving your concern.

Yes, yes, the crowd likes to hear the classics. But there are a lot of classics to choose from, and we could use a few new classics.

Also, remember that performance and interpretive skills can do a lot to signal an audience on how to "take" certain lyrics -- whether the violence, for example, is being endorsed or whether it is being condemned or whether it is being offered as a cautionary tale.

The great "punk" band from the L.A. scene, X, at one point stopped performing their great song "Johnny Hit and Run Pauline," which was an indictment of date rape, because too many of the predominantly young male audience were taking it as a celebration of the behavior. In a sense, by withdrawing the song, they were telling some of their so-called fans that you don't get to hear that music anymore until you get your head on straight and pay better attention. As an artists, you do have responsibility for what you play and how you present it. You may not be able to completely control what the audience does on its end, but you can do your best to direct its attention.