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Anti-smoking laws

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 4:38 pm
by lightninboy
I've been waiting, waiting,,, finally they're here. (Came in last month in Queensland). And I'm not happy!
Now, I hate smoke, can't stand it. When I'd get home my shirt, hair, even p/a and guitar leads reek of it!
(Not to mention the fact that I have a lung disease, and breathing that crap in wasn't what I needed)
So now, its great, no smoke.
BUT!
No smoke, no people. Every-ones staying home.
My regular sunday gig has been cut to every second sunday.
Its been a good earner too. Big bucks. Spewin!
The pubs nearly going broke. It seems like every body who goes to a pub smoke's.

I'm hoping things will pick up again.
Has this happened to anyone else?

PostPosted: Thu Aug 10, 2006 5:24 pm
by stumblin
I believe the authorities in Eire and Scotland have found that a smoking ban works for them. Not sure what the reaction from licensees has been though.
Looks like they're going to extend that to England soon.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:31 am
by boogiechillun85
They just put in a smoking ban throughout New Jersey for all public places, everywhere but casinos.

Yeah, it's had an effect. Blah.

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 1:53 am
by watertore
Here in california it has been non smoking in all public places for at least the 10 years we have been here. Many cities are now begining to ban smoking outside in public places, and a certain distance from business doors. The hospital in town is totally non smoking on all its property. It has been a huge success.

Lwt's face it. Second hand smoke kills. Yes, it is a hard habibit to kick, and bars and smoke have gone hand in hand for centuries. Give it some time, because you will now have more time on this earth. Most places that institute a ban, and all heck breaks loose. People hate change. After a year, it will be past history. Walter"played smoke filled bars around the world for 25 years" Tore

PS: being a non smoker, I can say I could never play in a place that allowed smoking again. The smell of beer is fine with me :D

PostPosted: Fri Aug 11, 2006 2:06 pm
by jellyroll baker
The ban'll be coming in here in Victoria before too long. It'll be tough for many venues although I think that for many venues it'll be less an issue of losing their punters and more changing their market segment. BEsides, the people who REALLY care about the music will still come, smoking or now, and they'll still bring their friends. bad in the short term but things get back to where they were in the long run.


... I hope.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 1:06 am
by ricochet
I think any effect on attendance will be temporary. Smoking bans in public places are coming all over.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 2:59 am
by songdog
Yep, just did it in Colorado last month... except for Casinos. But I suspect their days are numbered too.

It's happening everywhere and for the good of us all. But the people will come back. They'll either quit smokin or learn how to deal with it. People don't go to bars just to smoke. They go to drink, socialize, cheer on their favorite team, play pool, listen to live music, chase women, etc. Can't do most of those things at home :)

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 6:22 am
by leftyguitarman
Here in Washington, an anti smoking law was passed. And a lot of pubs and bars are hurting because of it. I dont play gigs so it doesnt affect me, but its hit the big time here and its on the news all the time about people being affected because of it.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 3:18 pm
by watertore
songdog wrote:Yep, just did it in Colorado last month... except for Casinos. But I suspect their days are numbered too.



Here in california, the Indian casinos are exempt from the smoking ban. I wonder if that is a national thing? Walter

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 8:23 pm
by songdog
watertore wrote:
Here in california, the Indian casinos are exempt from the smoking ban. I wonder if that is a national thing? Walter


Anything done on Indian land seems to be exempt from everything everywhere else!

Some of the Casinos in Colorado are not on indian land. These casinos applied sufficient pressure to our legislatures to make sure they were exempt from the ban. They probably used the same excuse, i.e. it will hurt our business, and if it hurts our business, that means less revenue (gambling taxes) for the state.

I think the current plan is to eventually let the people vote on a complete ban. Which if the vote takes place, I'm sure it will pass here.

PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 11:21 pm
by bigdaddy
Smokong in them casino's was probally more of a flat out payoff to keep it legal. Politicians are crooks. Why every where but the casino's? Payoff's. You probally can guess I don't like them. No smoking is a great idae. I can't wait till it gets to Utah but we will be the last to go. Utah is a strange place.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:43 am
by songdog
bigdaddy wrote:Smokong in them casino's was probally more of a flat out payoff to keep it legal. Politicians are crooks. Why every where but the casino's? Payoff's. You probally can guess I don't like them. No smoking is a great idae. I can't wait till it gets to Utah but we will be the last to go. Utah is a strange place.


Well you could be right Bigdaddy. There may very well have been some payola under the table along with campaign contributions. My guess is, our politicians were just too spineless to make that decision. It's OK if a few small Ma and Pa bars go out of business as a result of the ban. But the thought of several big casinos closing their doors and pulling up stakes resulting in millions of lost revenue and hundreds of lost jobs was too big of a risk for them to take.

Where abouts in Utah to do you reside?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 6:24 am
by jaybee
maybe, a bar owner should have the right to decide whether he allows or bans smoking, just like the public can choose whether or not they want to go into a smoking / non smoking bar and not nag about it if they do - either way: no "I wanna smoke" in a non smoking bar and no "I can't stand smoke" in a smoking bar - just go to the other kind of bar.

IMO if non smoking bars had been profitable, there would have been plenty around town years ago - just like there are plenty night shops (just don't nag if what you buy there seems to be overpriced), hamburger joints (don't nag if you're feeling sick half an hour later) etc

and about the argument ' the poor attendace will eventually get better' - go tell that one to the bar owners who went out of business in the meanwhile...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 10:28 am
by maxx england
East Birmingham Hospital has a smoking ban, but put up these little shelters outside the buildings for the addicts. And it's very odd, they all look like they're waiting for a bus, except this one will only carry one passenger in the back.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 15, 2006 12:03 pm
by NEONMOONY
Songdog wrote
It's happening everywhere and for the good of us all.


Politicians determine what's good for us? So, gambling is good for us? The money will decide what is or isn't good for us. Maybe they'll decide drinking or sausage pizza isn't good for us. or maybe Blues music. Yippee. It doesn't have a d*$n thing to do with what's good for us or we'd all have the same benefits they do..