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Postby jaybee » Fri Jan 05, 2007 7:56 pm

jeffl wrote:I have no objection to smoking bans (I only occasionally smoke cigars),but I do object to people bitching about smoking when they're in bars that allow smoking. My opinion is, if you don't like it, don't go in the place.


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Postby dcblues » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:07 pm

jeffl wrote:I have no objection to smoking bans (I only occasionally smoke cigars),but I do object to people bitching about smoking when they're in bars that allow smoking. My opinion is, if you don't like it, don't go in the place.


What if you have a gig in a bar where people are smoking? After my last gig in Baltimore, when my car smelled like smoke the next day (because my clothes got so smokey from the place), I can't wait until Baltimore's ban happens.
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Postby Catweazle » Fri Jan 05, 2007 8:08 pm

I have absolutely no objection to people smoking, just as long as they respect my right not to have to indulge in their habit.
I have as much right to enjoy myself in a bar, as a smoker. I don't understand why I should have to be put out by someone who is not able control his own noxious emissions. No, I don't fart in public (if I can help it). 8)
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Postby jeffl » Fri Jan 05, 2007 9:07 pm

Cat & DCB,you guys are right about that personal rights issue; it'll probably be employees' rights to a healthy environment that gets smoking ultimately banned in all workplaces. First of all,I would think that the insurance industry would lobby hard for that change, since it would save the country billions in healthcare expenses, especially in the area of heart & lung diseases. My town of Rochester,Minnesota, is home to the Mayo Clinic,and Rochester is practically smoke free,but we get alotta patients from Arab countries and they are not used to smoke free environments. People from other countries who come here really have a hard time finding a place to smoke. It even seems weird when I cross the Mississippi into Wisconsin, 'cuz that state smokes like a chimney compared to Minnesota (they drink alot more beer over there,too).
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Postby jaybee » Sat Jan 06, 2007 9:10 am

jeffl wrote:Cat & DCB,you guys are right about that personal rights issue; it'll probably be employees' rights to a healthy environment that gets smoking ultimately banned in all workplaces.

so now, logically the next step will be to ban ALL potentially unhealthy and/or dangerous JOBS, including (but NOT restricted to):
policeman: you could get shot
miner: you could get trapped, or inhale dust
butcher: those knives are very sharp
baker: dangerously hot oven, and might inhale flour
labourer: dangerous appliances and toxic materials
teacher: you don't want to know what germs you could catch in a classroom, if you don't get attacked physically first
any job involving driving a vehicle, including boats and plains: too accident-prone
cook: see baker
mail man: could get run over crossing the street
doctor: those syringes and scalpels look like they could cause serious damage
fireman: not only smoke, but FLAMES as well

... wouldn't it be logical to assume that if you accept any of those jobs, you know about the inherent disadvantages/dangers and by taking the job you accept them? --> if you don't want to be around smokers, don't go and work in a bar? what's going to be next? ban drinks from bars, because the employee might be an alcoholic and could be tempted to start again or the employee can't stand being around people who have been drinking?

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Postby 601blues » Sat Jan 06, 2007 12:22 pm

[Jaybee, the difference is all those you mentioned, most require extensive training to become but all is a choice,by the ones that preform the tasks mentioned,and there is a constant push and training to make each safer, so how you could relate this to smoking stinkie cigs and makine me smell and get sinues attacks is beyond me,anyway I agree if you want to smoke then you should have your own places, to drink,to eat, to shop, and to work, cause let me in on a seceret, even if your not puiffin on one at the moment, you still stink a sour nico smell, most smokers Don't realize how bad they stink, And Nicotine is a drug,a powerful killer Ive kicked a lotta bad habits but nicotine is a monster,and smokers will tell you THEY can stop any time, They just enjoy it!!That BS that is the nicotine talking!!
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Postby texas blues » Sun Jan 07, 2007 3:13 am

I've been smoking for 20 years and I ain't addicted yet! Thats all I can write.....need....ox....y...gen..cough...cough.
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Postby jaybee » Sun Jan 07, 2007 8:45 am

601blues wrote:[Jaybee, the difference is all those you mentioned, most require extensive training to become but all is a choice,by the ones that preform the tasks mentioned,and there is a constant push and training to make each safer, so how you could relate this to smoking stinkie cigs and makine me smell and get sinues attacks is beyond me,anyway I agree if you want to smoke then you should have your own places, to drink,to eat, to shop, and to work, cause let me in on a seceret, even if your not puiffin on one at the moment, you still stink a sour nico smell, most smokers Don't realize how bad they stink, And Nicotine is a drug,a powerful killer Ive kicked a lotta bad habits but nicotine is a monster,and smokers will tell you THEY can stop any time, They just enjoy it!!That BS that is the nicotine talking!!


I've said it before, all this nagging about me smoking is stressing to me, which leads to high blood pressure which could lead to health problems eventually, but no one seems to care about my health in THAT way - maybe I ought to develop a means of starting to smell when I'm being annoyed, that seems to get peoples' attention :wink: ...

so: YES I smoke, YES I enjoy it and YES I will stop... eventually, either when everyone has stopped nagging about it OR just after I stop breathing, whichever comes first (I'm pretty sure it'll be the second option)

smoking ban? no problem with me, I'll stay home and smoke here - actually I've been doing that for some time, after a while people seem to stop wondering why you and a bunch of others who used to come to every event before weren't at their party or gig... HELLO-O! if I come I'm being "kicked out" every time I want to smoke, and next day I have a cold from standing in the wind and rain... :roll:
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Postby 601blues » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:31 pm

:shock: BUT Jay Bee its not a smoke addiction its a nicotine addiction, like I said, Iam addicted to nicotine my self, but smokers just will not admit that its a drug they are addicted to!!The nicotine does not bother people the smoke does, So I use Stonewall mints that has a nice nicotine kick to them, so I can indulge in my drug of choice anywhere!! On planes when smokers are about to commit hari Kari over nicotine Iam can just pop a stonewall and Iam good ta go!! So I don't understand what the stress is all about??? I have my nicotine with out the harmful stinking smoke,which is a good thing!!
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Postby allanlummox » Mon Jan 08, 2007 2:50 pm

I'm an odd case - no interest in smoking at all until I've had a few drinks, and I'm surrounded by smokers. Then it's bum or buy, and join the throng, whether they are outside the door or arrayed along the bar.

One or two, and I'm good to go.


So by and large, I sort of support a smoking ban - smoke free taverns are certainly cleaner.
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Postby maxx england » Mon Jan 08, 2007 3:14 pm

There is an industrial knock on from smoking bans; bar/club owners won't have to repaint so often, so the painters and manufacturers will get less work.
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Postby jeffl » Fri Jan 26, 2007 11:11 pm

Our county just approved a total smoking ban in workplaces. That means the last few bars that allow smoking because they don't serve food will be smoke free starting June 1. Our state legislature (Minnesota) is working on a bill of the same nature that will undoubtedly pass this year or next. I understand and agree with the "rightness" of these laws, but I'm still scared that it will further erode the live music scene in Minnesota,and especially the blues scene, since alotta blues people seem to smoke. It also threatens the businesses on the border cities,since our neighboring states have no such laws at this point. How the hell do they draw the line on what to legislate....? How is it necessary to dictate this choice when it's still legal to ride motorcycles, even without helmets in many states....? Isn't there a chance that if you don't like second hand smoke that you can just not apply for a job at a bar....? I guess it's the thing about not being able to absolve yourself from a liability.
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Postby songdog » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:04 am

Funny thing, Nevada just passed a law banning smoking in workplaces.... except casinos - WHY DID THEY EVEN BOTHER? Doesn't half of Nevada's population work in a casino?

Seems to me if a state is going to ban smoking, in fairness they should ban it for all places. Excluding certain venues just pisses off the non-excluded venues and gives them legal ground for discrimination lawsuits.

Colorado did the same thing and excluded a handful of casinos and now the state has at least a half dozen lawsuits pending.
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Postby ricochet » Sat Jan 27, 2007 3:06 am

songdog wrote:Funny thing, Nevada just passed a law banning smoking in workplaces.... except casinos - WHY DID THEY EVEN BOTHER? Doesn't half of Nevada's population work in a casino?

How about brothels?
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Postby maxx england » Sat Jan 27, 2007 2:07 pm

There's a story from some years back that an article was printed in the Lancet, the British Medical Association's journal, about the awareness of AIDS and the high percentage of American prostitutes (75% I think) who then required their customers to wear condoms.

Apparently, in the next issue there was a letter congratulating the original writer on the stamina that had allowed him to make this discovery.

Now here's a thought: overt public sexual acts are banned in most countries and many computer systems/networks carry "naughty word" filters to protect the young and impressionable.
Now, smoking is being forced underground. How long before we aren't allowed to use words like tobacco, cigarette, cigar?
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