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Postby texas blues » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:09 pm

"I feel this is the greatest bunch of guys and gals I've ever encountered on forums through out the internet!"

Mickey...gals? Names, phone numbers, addressess...
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Postby jeffl » Tue Feb 13, 2007 9:28 pm

I'm not a guitar player (I'm a harper) but my observation is that there's no pressing reason to buy a new Gibson,since good used Gibsons can be purchased for the same large chunks of cash (with the exception of the truly vintage collectibles) . Thus, you are in the enviable position of just playin' any of the used Gibson or Epi wallhangers you may find in guitar stores who handle vintage stuff, or answering "for sale" ads in the local classified ads, and comparing what you find to the new Epis that are available in the stores. Epis sell well, so any Epi dealer has Dots,Casinos,etc. in multiples where you can play several of the same model to compare their build consistency and find the sweet one,if you decide Epi is the route you want to go.
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Postby mickeypainless » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:30 pm

>>>Mickey...gals? Names, phone numbers, addressess...

Actually I guess the only "Gal" left is our beloved CAS from San Diego CA and even she's been busy else were lately! As for the rest, that's up to you bud! :lol:
BTW Carol, pop in and let us know wud up, miss ya!
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Postby jeffl » Tue Feb 13, 2007 10:39 pm

Painless: if I'm not mistaken, we've had a young girl from Europe peek in here in the last week as well. Rico scares all the women off with his Johnson talk, since they don't have the apparent pleasure of enjoying his charms the same way his female colleagues do. (It's a joke Rico me bucko) Carol has the rare combination of a silky soft voice and thick skin,lol, so we're blessed with her.
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Postby mickeypainless » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:36 pm

>>>we've had a young girl from Europe peek in here in the last week

DAMN, I missed her and I so dig their accents!
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Postby texas blues » Tue Feb 13, 2007 11:49 pm

Naw....it was that "Macho Man" song a few weeks ago that scared all dem' womens away. Dadgummit...now what do I do with all of this Hai Karate Cologne I got? A dang waste I tell ya'.
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Postby NEONMOONY » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:33 am

Maybe she saw my white belt and white loafers.
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Postby ricochet » Wed Feb 14, 2007 1:40 am

Me? I'm just one of the girls.
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Postby mickeypainless » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:37 am

And just about the cutest of the bunch John!
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Postby ricochet » Wed Feb 14, 2007 3:59 am

Careful!
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Postby bignick » Wed Feb 14, 2007 4:03 am

Gibson pisses me off because they are not allowing mom and pop stores to carry them anymore. They are selling out to GC because they will push more instruments, and yes...quality control has been a problem.

I'm on Harmony Central as well, and they all complain about the same thing. I would not order a Gibson guitar for the life of me. I would have to play it first. The pride of Gibson lies in their custom shop, high end, and endorsed models now. Not to say that Gibson isn't doing some great things. I LOVE the Faded series. They have a very worn in vibe and the thin finish makes them sound WIDE open. Pure tone machines between $500-$700. My V rocked out of the box and rocks even more with my modifications.

Now, I have always been an Epiphone guy. I have owned an Epi Dot, an LP Standard (a 2nd). The Dot is in my Dad's hands now, and the LP Standard is currently my oldest guitar. It is Tiger Maple and the grains do not line up quite right. BEAUTIFUL! However, it sucked out of the box. This is a mid-90s Epiphone mind you. The tuners (Kluson clones) SUCKED and the pickups were horrible. I popped some Alnico Dimarzios in there, installed Sperzels and coil tapped the neck ala Jimmy Page and BAM..it is a tone MONSTER now. I haven't played a nicer sounding guitar. That is my standard tuning non-slide guitar.

The Epiphones of today are MUCH nicer. The pickups are much improved and the grover-style tuners seem to hold much better. I like the wider posts on the hardware too. I hate those thin-ass tunematic posts.

IMO buy an Epiphone, spend about $70 on a set of GFS Alnico Pafs http://www.guitarfetish.com and you will have a guitar comparable to damn near anything. You could buy 2 nice ones for the price of one Gibby. My 2 LP copies are my primary work horses. If you go for the Gibby, try a Faded model and make sure you play it first.

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Postby grady » Thu Feb 15, 2007 1:36 am

My friend who owns a Music Store (a Gibson Dealer) told me the other day that Gibson has dropped their requirements to $50,000 worth of Guitars a year.

I guess they figured out real quick when they lost 80% of their Dealerships in the United States that the new plan wasn't going to fly.

I have a Gibson Faded Series SG model and it's a very nice guitar.
I would like to see Gibson expand their Faded Series.

Epiphone has a ES-175 Model out now.

Anyone know what a Epi Les Paul Classic sells for new ??
That's the trade-in at my local store that I'm thinking of buying.
Ted hasn't quoted me a price yet.
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Postby jellyroll baker » Thu Feb 15, 2007 2:10 am

grady wrote:I guess they figured out real quick when they lost 80% of their Dealerships in the United States that the new plan wasn't going to fly.


I dunno, sounds like a perfectly sensible business model to me.
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Postby grady » Thu Feb 15, 2007 3:55 am

jellyroll baker wrote:
grady wrote:I guess they figured out real quick when they lost 80% of their Dealerships in the United States that the new plan wasn't going to fly.


I dunno, sounds like a perfectly sensible business model to me.


You're gonna have to explain to me how losing money is a good thing because, I don't understand that concept.
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Postby straightblues » Fri Feb 23, 2007 5:49 am

Epiphone is owned by Gibson so if you are buying Epiphone, you are just buying Gibsons imported line. So you aren't sticking it to Gibson by buying an Epi.

I have owned both. I bought two used Gibson Les Pauls within the past 4 months. I bought them both used. A 2000 Standard, with a repaired headstock and a few paint problems for $800 and a used 2000 Hitstoric Reissue 1956 (R6) (goldtop with P90's) that had some road wear for $1,500.

I bought these after playing over 150 Les Pauls. I played Epiphones, Studios all the way up through R9s. These two paticular guitars spoke to me. The were so much better than the others I tried. I can certainly agree with the complaints about Gibson quality control. They should be embarassed by some of the crap they put out. The finish on the Epiphones is consitantly better than the US made stuff. However, there is nothing that sounds and feels like a real US made Les Paul if you find a magic one. It is the sound of the records we all grew up with an nothing else captures that exact tone. I avoided it for 20 years. I am glad I finally have them in my collection of guitars.

Finding that magic one is a journey. Take your time and you will find a great one. They are definitly out their. However, there are many more bad ones out there at all price ranges. You may find a magic Epiphone or a magic Studio, but you are more likely to find a magic Historic series.

The R6 I just bought is the best guitar I have ever played period, and I have personally owned over 100 guitars and have been to NAMM for many years and have played just about every brand of high end guitars out there. You just need to go a start playing every les paul you can get your hands on. I live in the Los Angeles area and there are lots of stores with lots of Les Pauls. I am lucky. Don't be turned off if you play a bad one, try the next one even if it looks like the bad one you just played. Each of them are very different. They are hand made in many aspects and it shows.

Good luck on your journey. If you find the magic one, pay for it no matter the cost.
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