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Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 1:14 am
by boweavil blues
[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jul-17-05 AT 09:17 PM (EST)]I listen and listen to Charlie Patton and try to figure out what's going on, and I've made progress re figuring out the key and then following along (usually) I-IV-V. When it comes to specific licks and such, I have no luck at all. If I play anything I usually end up playing the same thing. I know it would be better to do this by myself, but can anyone help me out, especially with some of his open A stuff: It Won't Be Long or Moon Going Down?

Thanks alot.

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Mon Jul 18, 2005 2:35 am
by boogiechillun85
This is really a question for Zak, but I'm going to boost this to the top because I'd like to know what's going on there too.. ;)
Jim A.
http://www.soundclick.com/jimnjblues

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:34 pm
by boweavil blues
No replies to this, at least my ear will get some hardcore training. :)

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 10:35 pm
by ricochet
I think that's what it'll take.

"A cheerful heart is good medicine."

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 3:20 am
by nizer
[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jul-21-05 AT 11:37 PM (EST)]Yup, where Charley was they ain't got no tabs for. Now boogiechillun85's (man, are you really just 20?) got it down. Ask him.

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:57 am
by houndog
Whoa,
it is a few years since we played our version of this one but Dougie played in straight and I played in G tuning.

The main riff seemed to be moving one step up and down between the 3rd and 2nd fret on the two highest strings , with Dougie snapping the same on lower strings.There was a delay in the change to the IV in the same way some do with Roll and Tumble.

ados,
Lovat

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Fri Jul 22, 2005 5:58 am
by houndog
Hello,
half the battle was getting the lyrics.:D

House over there all painted green.
Going down Sunflower.
The bell she shine like gold.

I always thought it was a lyrical precursor to Somestack Lighting.

adios,
Lovat

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:38 am
by boweavil blues
Thanks for those hints, the ysure help.

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 2:56 pm
by boogiechillun85
Nizer, actually if you want to get technical I'm still 19. ;) Ask me again on August 29th.
Considering today is the first day I've had completely free in far too long, I think I'll sit down next to the stereo and figure out a whole bunch of Patton songs. Instead of doing work. Cause who wants to do that when you can play "Poor Me" over and over again?
Jim A.
http://www.soundclick.com/jimnjblues

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:47 pm
by nizer
Jim you blow my mind. Just listening to your "Pony Blues" again. That's COuntry Blues as good as it gets, IMO. Learning more Patton? How about Green River or Moon Going Down?

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:02 am
by bighollowtwang
This song actually has two guitar parts - Willie Brown plays the upfront guitar part in standard tuning, key of A (capoed to B) using an A7 shape identical to the one used by Robert Johnson in songs like Little Queen of Spades and by Tommy Johnson in Maggie Campbell blues: the three high strings fretted at the 9th, 8th and 9th frets respectively, with this shape moved down one fret to sound a diminished chord, and slid back up to A7 again. In fact the Tommy Johnson tune is either derived from Brown's part, or was its model. The Tommy Johnson recording is pretty clearly decipherable and significantly slower, so you might want to learn that part from there.
Patton plays his typical Screamin And Hollerin patterns in spanish tuning (capoed to B). Patton's guitar part is obscured by Brown's but can be deduced by listening to his other tunes using that accompaniment.
The interplay between Patton and Brown is quite amazing on this song, it swings like hell! One of THEE great country blues guitar duets of all time.

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 12:32 am
by stiff
That A7 shape is one of my favourite chords, it just sounds so damn beautiful!

> half the battle was getting the lyrics.:D
>
>House over there all painted green.
>Going down Sunflower.
>The bell she shine like gold.
>
>I always thought it was a lyrical precursor to Somestack
>Lighting.

"Most significant was the driving 'Moon Going Down', with a lyrics that got misunderstood over the years, becoming 'Smokestack Lightning' and giving Howlin' Wolf one of his signature tunes. What Patton sings in the fifth verse as he and Brown accelerate their rhythm is: 'Lord, the smokestack is black and the bell it shines like gold'. But who's counting?"

- From the booklet of "The Charley Patton Legacy" boxset.

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 2:20 am
by bighollowtwang
Here are the lyrics:

Aw that moon has gone down, north star 'bout to shine
Aw the moon going down baby, north star 'bout to shine
Rosetta Henry told me "Lord I don't want you hanging round"

Oh well where were you now baby, Clarksdale mill burned down
Oh well where were you now baby, Clarksdale mill burned down
(spoken: Boy you know where I were)
I was way down in Sunflower with my face all full of frowns

There's a house over yonder painted all over green
There's a house over yonder painted all over green
(spoken: Boy you know I know it's over there)
Some of the finest young women Lord, a man most ever seen

Lord I think I heard the Helena whistle Helena whistle Helena whistle blow
Lord I think I heard that Helena whistle blow
(spoken: Well I hear it blowin now)
Lord I ain't gonna stop walking til I get in my rider's door

Lord the smokestack is black and the bell it shine like, bell it shine like, bell it shine like gold
Aw the smokestack is black and the bell it shine like gold
(spoken: Shucks boy you know it look good to me)
Lord I ain't gonna walk here, tarry 'round no more.

Hey hey evening was at midnight when I heard the Local blow
Aw was evening at midnight when I heard the Local blow
(spoken: Boy I'm gettin lonesome)
I got to see my rider when she gettin on board.



For another simplified version of Willie Brown's guitar part, check out Son House's rendition which he called "A Down The Staff."

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 12:54 am
by boweavil blues
I've found that a bunch of other of Patton's numbers are slowed down variations on this theme: Jersey Bull Blues, Bird Nest Bound, and to some degree High Water Everywhere.

RE: Charlie Patton Songs-Moon Going Down

PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2005 3:29 am
by bighollowtwang
The original would be Screamin And Hollerin The Blues. The other songs were recorded later.