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First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 10:09 pm
by Jakeblues
I got a copy of Pro Tools and it's turned into a black hole for my free time (between the learning curve, and my rusty chops). Here's the first project I've managed to complete, an instrumental version of "Tore Down".

http://soundcloud.com/mean_old_fireman/tore-down

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 3:19 am
by ricbleu
That was superb, Jake - I wasn't aware of any mistakes in any of the tracks. Is protools a software version of a recording and editing device? For example, I have a little Boss BR600 on which I record all my stuff which I then download to my computer and edit with an editing program. So does protools do all of that? You have really nailed that boogy beat that Freddie King gets. Each of the tracks were good, loved the bass and the little keyboard fills near the beginning. What were you using for lead guitar? :D Peace

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 4:57 am
by Jakeblues
Thanks Rich! Pro tools is a multitrack "Digital Audio Workstation" software package. I use Pro tools Express (the "budget priced" version). It gives you great multi-tracking, on-board effects/signal processing and a whole host of MIDI stuff that I'm just starting to understand. I had tried using Audacity, which is freeware, but I couldn't get it to work right on my computer so I finally took the plunge. It's been a steep learning curve, but I'm starting to get the hang of it.

The guitar parts were recorded with a Mexican Made Tele Thinline '72 reissue. It has Barden Humbucker 2-tones in it. The lead tracks were with the coils tapped, which behaves a lot like a Strat pup. The lap steel is a Vermont Steelz, which is a big slab of mahogany. The bridge is a thick brass bar and the nut is also a beefy piece of brass. I don't know what the p'up is, but it'sa big old humbucker with a coil split switch. I'm still getting my tinonation down on the short scale, but I really lover the tone, even if it's not your typical lap steel tone.

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 10:33 am
by JakeFirebirdV
To quote a famous old ficticious Bluesman from the 60's - 'Mr. RightOn Washington' - right on, right on, right on :!:
Good job man. When I started with Sonar Producer, it stole a year or two of my life ... that damned learning curve stuff then, BFD drums came into my life. It's a wonder I have any hair left :lol:

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Tue Oct 02, 2012 6:45 pm
by jeffl
Very creative, jakeblues. Nice smooth touch on those strings. I love it when a guy's got the ability to execute melody plus improvisation. That's a great skill for takin' yer listeners on those little trips. Good shootin'!

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 7:55 am
by The Breeze
Aye, spot on playing. :D I hope you don't mind me saying, but the lead track is too loud against the backing. It's separated too much by volume so the variations in pitch, (inherent on a single string instrument), tend to stand out instead of being reinforced by the harmony of the backing.

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Wed Oct 03, 2012 11:44 pm
by Jakeblues
I think you're right about the mix. I think it's a case of "Ear fatigue". I mixed it too soon after recording it. (That, and I haven't mixed anything in 25 years.) It's also amazing how different it sounds on other speakers (although I think I mixed this on headphones.) I appreciate the comments, I have a lot to learn (and re-learn.)

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 3:08 am
by ricbleu
Jakeblues wrote: I think it's a case of "Ear fatigue". I mixed it too soon after recording it.
I'm not sure that I agree with Breezey, but I am well acquainted with the 'ear fatigue' phenomenon. I have found that I get better results if I leave the whole thing for a while - a minimum of half a day (if I can restrain myself) - and then listen again with fresh ears. That's when new ideas for phrasings, the adding or subtracting of different instruments make themselves known too. I write poetry too and the same applies. You get so damned close to the work that you can't get an objective feel for it. With my poems, I leave them to settle and then sneak up on them and read them as though I'm reading someone else's work. As for Breeze's comment, if you think that he has a valid point, it's easy enough to remix. I'm just not sure, I was so impressed by the overall 'take' and the skill level of all the instruments. :D Peace.

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 7:33 am
by The Breeze
You should have a whole bunch of Master tracks for each project, my digital desk has 10 'V-takes' on each channel so you should be able to remix without touching the original.

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:51 am
by ricbleu
Yeah, that's like my Boss machine, Breeze. It has eight V tracks. It's not much bigger than half a laptop and yet the early Beatles and Stones etc would have given their eye teeth to have such sophisticated recording gear. I went the hardware way rather than the software because the sound specialist who writes soundtracks for the Natural History Unit where my wife works explained that for ProTools "you need a fairly grunty computer" and that it's a steep learning curve. Well I didn't have the former and my health dictates that I had better move fast which precludes the latter. But my little Boss does all I need. :D Peace

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 6:10 pm
by Jakeblues
and that it's a steep learning curve.


I'll vouch for that. There are plenty of was to save tracks, whether audio, MIDI or Mix parameters. I have plenty of disk space. It's been more a matter of wanting to get a finished project. I step back and listen to things and have a whole host of things I want to change. I often second guess myself on going with such a complicated system. I often feel like I'm spending more time playing with Protools than playing guitar.

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Thu Oct 04, 2012 8:45 pm
by The Breeze
Wasn't Sgt Pepper done on an 8 track master?

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Sat Oct 06, 2012 2:24 am
by Jakeblues
I just did a quick search...I couldn't find anything really definitive, but several sites claim it was done on 4 (I'm going t guess a few things got bounced.) I haven't used more than 6 so far, but most of my arrangements are pretty simple. My chops limit me far more than my equipment.

Re: First project with Pro Tools - Tore Down

PostPosted: Sun Oct 07, 2012 3:10 am
by bottleneck
i am not trying to disagree with anyone,but on my speakers the overall mix is spot on.

i thought the guitar was a 335 when i listened,doh!

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