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Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:24 pm
by Buffalo_Bill
Yea, that snare sounds kinda dry, with a moderate skin tension I think.
I've been going tighter and tighter, trying to make it easier to get a rim shot.
I think for most blues, a moderate skin tension is best, not to be too prominent.
A too prominent snare crack get's annoying.

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 12:36 pm
by goldbrick
Remember the 50's blues guys used calf skin heads so the sound was less of a pop and more of a thump. Modern wooden drums also have a thicker shell for the hard hitters which also leads to less real drum sound and more drum head sound

Set your bass heads loose,snare medium rattly and high hats sloshy loose and you will get the tone-then just work on the rhythm

You can get an idea of a 40's -50's drum tuning here-its a less focused sound than a normal rock type tuning
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xc_em5UJ288&feature=plcp&context=C435aec2VDvjVQa1PpcFPjr9XVxRAxT4CTn5Ab0f3s1swQygDptdc=

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Sun Apr 01, 2012 9:02 pm
by Buffalo_Bill
Hey Goldbrick,
Your set is unique for sure, but I understand your choices.
Except, that you have plenty of room for a ride cymbal in there. :?:
How come you don't use one?
Bill

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 5:01 am
by goldbrick
Just depends -that setup is for old timey jazz and early blues where cymbal technology didn't allow for big cymbals The biggest cymbal was usually around a 14 inch

For the surf /garage thing we do I use a variety of cymbals like here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oD4mv95SU4c&feature=plcp&context=C4041cadVDvjVQa1PpcFPjr9XVxRAxT1NGvxJR45xLDMS6InF0abY%3D

Just depends on the gig Blues shuffles I generally just stay with the hi hats

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Mon Apr 02, 2012 11:16 am
by Buffalo_Bill
Well, certainly your Gretsch outfit looks great. I'd like to get me a Catalina Birch kit, when I'm worthy.
But, right now I'm stuck with my First Act kit.
I continue to upgrade it, with better hardware that I can transfer to my next kit. Plus I added 12" and 16" toms.
Really, at my skill level this is all I deserve. :wink:

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 7:51 pm
by goldbrick
I got my son a Catalina Jazz for his first real kit. Very happy with it. All I did was change to hydraulic heads cause the room its in is real echo prone. and he is using a nickle over chrome snare by pearl that sounds really good.

Buying more expensive drums than these I think is unnecessary 'cause the quality is there.
I do believe in high end cymbals tho' and a quality bass pedal and hi hat stand

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Fri Apr 13, 2012 12:12 am
by Buffalo_Bill
I just did some research on single drum pedals.
The theories go round and round, on the best mechanical design.
The First Act pedal I have is good, 'cept it's designed for a child sized foot.
So I chose an older Ludwig Speed King off ebay, Made in Chicago too.
Decent price for a good pedal, $41 including shipping.
I'll bet it's still got the Mojo.

Right now I'm working on slow blues, with an irregular bass drum beat, 1, 3-1, 1, 3-1
Tough but I'll get it.

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Sat Apr 14, 2012 8:14 pm
by goldbrick
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Here is a kit I use for blues/jazz gigs-portable,vintage and sufficently loud enuff to compete with moderate electric guitar volume-
Cymbal is an 18' Heavy Zildjian A-Hi hats are 13s and there is a cowbell you can't see from this angle.
This gig was last night at an Art Gallery warehouse complex

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 12:48 am
by Buffalo_Bill
That looks very good.
Efficient, and portable quality.

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:16 pm
by goldbrick
The Ludwig pedal is a good one-just make sure you get an extra spring for it and grease it up.
Back in the day we called the Speed King the Squeak King-'cause they did if you didn't lube them.

Put an impact patch on the bass head as bass heads are expensive and I use a wood beater for blues so I can get more natural resonance
Drums are another strange trip but worth the effort

This is a jazz pattern with a shuffle feel cause of the 4 on the floor bass-you can leave out one right hand tap and use it for country blues too

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WZcGaUg2r_4&feature=plcp&context=C4b7195fVDvjVQa1PpcFPjr9XVxRAxTyJhcn7JG5-29VWomH9canE=

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Tue May 01, 2012 3:03 am
by Buffalo_Bill
DOH!!

I just got the knock on the door, TURN IT DOWN! :oops:

Looks like I need to buy a set of drum mutes… gonna need them this summer with the windows open.

My neighbor was nice enough to give me a 12 hour noise window, 9AM to 9PM.

Kinda feel like an ass…

P.S. Goldbrick, I think your St.James Infirmary video is the best I've seen of your combo.

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 4:44 pm
by goldbrick
Thanks

I just fold up an old t shirt or washcloth and place it on the edge of the drum. You can control the volume by moving it around 'til you find the sound you want. I find the rubber drum mutes they sell kill the sound too much and you lose all resonance

Lighter sticks help too-go to a set of 7a and you will develop a lighter touch too

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Wed May 02, 2012 9:22 pm
by Buffalo_Bill
Right Goldbrick,

First of all, I was hitting the drums hard that night, trying different drum fills on the toms. I thought the house would absorb all the sound.

Mostly it's the 14" snare and the 16" floor tom that really penetrate through the walls.

I stuffed the bass with a blanket.
I have a 12" snare that's not so loud.
Plus I have a pair of Cool Rods that are very soft compared to sticks.

I ordered a set of rubber mutes for the snare and toms, so I can use regular sticks.
Rags over the cymbals will work to.

Funny, I swear I can hear sirens screaming, and my parents yelling when I get a drum beat going! :lol:
And I'm 58 years old!

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2012 9:33 pm
by Buffalo_Bill
This is going well.

I got 3 good shuffle beats down, each with alternate versions.
Not to mention a handful of easy 1-2 beats for shuffle and rock.

Yes, the journey is the destination.

I need to record my play list, the next journey.

Re: Drum Lesson #1, Shuffle Pattern…

PostPosted: Tue Apr 09, 2013 4:55 pm
by Buffalo_Bill
Goldbrick, just looked at your 'St. James Infirmary' video again, still is the best I've seen of your combo.
I was watching your brush work, sounds good.
I'd like to get a set of those shaving brushes myself, as they sound better than steel brushes.

Just found a great deal on a Gretsch Catalina Birch shell pack with a Cherry gloss lacquer finish, only $300, but no snare.
10, 12, 14 and 22" shells. I prefer a 16" floor tom, so I'm selling the Gretsch 14x14, and using a basswood 16x16 floor tom.