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Postby 1dustyeod » Fri Jun 02, 2006 1:30 pm

Speaking of stupid.... Did anyone watch TV the other day when they had a bomb threat/suspect package in SF at the Courthouse and they (Newsies) were showing the bomb disposal team in real time doing their proceedures? What is wrong with these people? I wrote the SF Chief of Police and actually got a response fromt the Assistant Chief who claims to have attended the 6 week civilian course at Redstone Arsenal Alabama. Check it out....
My response to him is 1st.....


Sir,

Thank you for your response but I can see that you are as much a problem as the newsies are. Politics have no place in a combat situation and all EOD incidents ARE combat situations. I don't know maybe you slept that day at Redstone. The statutes for wanton endangerment encompass a lot of things and generally cover acts that can be considered to endanger public safety as well as officer safety. To film EOD personnel in real time is a definite act of wanton endangerment for more reasons than I can list.....

Public safety 1st.....

Bomb technician safety.... 1) Static hazard from rotor blades
2) EMF radiation
3) THE BOMBER could be watching waiting on the
technician to get close to the device
4) random signals from cell phones or news
transmitting devices can set the device off

Basic Common sense tells you that this is a grave situation in the making for all involved.... You only have to arrest one to send a message to thousands.
"Unfortunately California law prohibits us from arresting the news media from filming, especially from the air"

Bullshit.....!!!!!

To allow incidents like that to continue is blatant stupidity running rampant..... If I was the EOD tech there yesterday and saw that guy filming me, I would have considered him as much or more a threat than the suspect device. When are you going to understand that every incident that is bomb related IS a combat situation. If the EOD technician on the scene shoots the helicopter down, he would be fully justified and all survivors should be JAILED.

That IS the full gravity of the situation in REAL TIME....

Thomas M Hamrick
P.O. Box 64
Pinch WV 25156

US Army Bomb Squad
Retired


-----Original Message-----
From: David Shinn [mailto:David.Shinn@sfgov.org]
Sent: Thursday, June 01, 2006 9:10 PM
To: 1dustyeod@charter.net
Subject: EOD event in the news


Dear Mr. Hamrick, your e-mail was directed to my attention for response.
Please allow me to introduce myself, my name is David Shinn, I am the
Deputy Chief of the San Francisco Police Department. I share your
frustration regarding the real time filming of our EOD techs during the
render safe procedures. I have been a EOD technician since 1980. I was
trained at Redstone Arsenal at Huntsville Alabama. I know the dangers posed
to not only our technicians but to all technicians world wide when render
safe procedures are compromised. Unfortunately California law prohibits us
from arresting the news media from filming, especially from the air. The
law only allows us from preventing the news media from entering a public
venue when it has been declared a crime seen. I have discussed this issue
with the departments Public Affairs Officer who will be contacting the news
editor and voicing our complaint of officer safety. I believe this
objection will have the desired results. Please feel free to contact me at
(415) 553-1527 if you have any other questions.



Sincerely David Shinn
Deputy Chief
Field Operations Bureau
San Francisco Police Department.
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Postby lorilu » Fri Jun 02, 2006 4:10 pm

Wow, that is some crazy stuff. Sounds like this guy was glad to get your comments and support and like he's ready to find a way to take some kind of legal action. The media can be good and bad. Unfortunately with some of the antics they pull they are gonna wind up banned from everything when their actions could have been beneficial if they had been thinking instead of grabbing. And putting people who are helping in grave danger. I wish everything wasn't so much about money nowadays. Selling papers, getting viewers in order to sell advertisement on a particular channel, etc. Greed, one of the deadly sins.
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Postby gcd revue » Fri Jun 02, 2006 11:49 pm

Ran into the same kind of problems in Somalia, trying to escort the Red Cross folks, and protect the distribution of medical supplies. Couldn't turn around without bumping into camera crews. They did their best to call attention to our every move, and frequently knew where we'd be before WE did. So much for Operational Security. THEN, after getting in the way, being a general pain in the kiester, and endangering the lives of the Red Cross workers, the locals, AND us jarheads...they tried to portray us as some kind of bullies (The nerve, pushing around those poor, innocent, well-meaning Somali warlords!). As a Navy Medical Corpsman, it was my job to keep my Marines healthy. Wonder if I could have defended shooting the media as preventive medicine? ;-)
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Postby 1dustyeod » Sat Jun 03, 2006 2:34 am

Well..... sometimes I look at things this way..... and sometimes I turn my head and look at thigs this way........ (ha) For sure... tunnel vision is very limiting and doesn't quite give you the whole picture....

EOD tecs in the military go to school for about 10 months.... The civilian school in Alabama that he references in the EM is a 2 week course. For an assistant Chief to say that there are no laws that apply and that there isn't any reason to arrest them is an absurdity of magnamious proportion. He could but it wouldn't be politically correct. Just like anything else in this world.... somebody has to die first.... Then somebody like him will go "We should have done something about that...???!!!!!" Since he IS a desk ornament... it won't be him. Sad..... I sent his response to Imus and Bill O'Reilly. Maybe one of those guys will go against the grain and say something regards their collegues irresponsible actions. Time will tell.

8)
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Postby lorilu » Sat Jun 03, 2006 3:12 am

It's a difficult thing as on the one hand what makes us the US and a free country is that kind of freedom of the press, but then there's lack of common sense and them trying to sell a newsworthy story. We have a lot of problems in this country too. And not just with the press. I feel like I am being warlorded at the gas pump by the oil companies with their highest profits ever!
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Postby nizer » Sat Jun 03, 2006 4:07 pm

"BBQ anyone?"... who would ever know what conversations go on under these innocent-sounding thread titles...

Tommy and J.D., I have complete respect and admiration for you guys - what you have been through and the class you maintain despite it all. Tommy, that's a great letter you wrote. Reading between the lines in the response, it sounds like the guy basically agrees with you but can't say so (paper trail). Lots of food for thought in both of your posts. I can't help thinking that if people like you, who have actually been there at the sharp end of the stick, were in charge of policy the military wouldn't be exploited so recklessly for political ends.

Regarding the press, here's a situation where they were used by a commander to good effect. During the Balkan war in the early 90s Canadian troops were deployed as part of a United Nations *peacekeeping* force (what peace??) in Croatia. The Croatians, under Commander Rahim Ademi, tried to block the Canadian's entry into the the area they were supposed to protect. After taking heavy casualties in a 15 hour firefight, the Croatians agreed to meet the Canadian Commander, Lt.-Col. Jim Calvin, to negotiate a ceasefire. From http://www.balkanpeace.org/wcs/wct/wctu/wctc003.shtml

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Calvin met with Ademi at his headquarters in a town near the fighting. Ademi sat on one side of the table, blustering and yelling at the Canadians. "He looked like he was enjoying the role he was playing," says Calvin. "Emotions were very high and I was irate my men were getting shot at." But after an hour and a half, Ademi finally relented and promised to pull his troops out at noon the next day.

The Croatian commander, however, was determined to terrorize the Serb civilians living in the area before he left. By 10 a.m. the next morning, a thick umbrella of smoke covered all four towns in the Medak Pocket as the Croats tried to kill or destroy everything in their wake. The Canadians witnessed scenes that still haunt many of them. "They could see what was happening from their foxholes," says Calvin. "My soldiers knew their role was to protect the weak and the innocent and they were absolutely incensed." But fearing the ceasefire agreement with Ademi would collapse if they advanced, the Canadians could do nothing but hold their ground.

Finally, when the noon deadline passed, the Canadians raced ahead, but immediately encountered a company of Croat troops behind a barricade -- and supported by missiles launchers and an ominous Soviet-era T-72 tank. Calvin approached the senior Croat brigadier; their conversation quickly became heated. The large, bearded Croat ordered his men to cock their weapons and point them at the Canadians. "We knew they were stalling so they could clean up evidence of their ethnic cleansing," Calvin recalls.

Calvin did not order his troops to fight, and instead tried another gambit. With the Medak attack almost a week old, the international media had converged on the area. As negotiations with his bearded counterpart deteriorated, Calvin held a news conference in front of the barricade and bluntly described the atrocities he believed were being committed by the Croatians. Realizing his country's reputation was in jeopardy, the Croat commander suddenly stepped aside. "The transformation was instantaneous," says Calvin. "He made a big show of removing the barriers."

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in 2001 Brigadier Rahim Ademi was indicted for war crimes by the ICTY.
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Postby dcblues » Mon Jun 05, 2006 11:45 pm

Here's a good link about bomb squads:

http://www.buzolich.com/indecorum/2005/ ... omb-squad/

WARNING - This site contains a link to a video that is very graphic.
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Postby allanlummox » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:21 am

Oh, that was nasty.

And all I can think is....finally, we're back on topic.
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Sorry 'bout that.
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Postby mickeypainless » Tue Jun 06, 2006 12:55 am

DAMN!
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Postby 601blues » Tue Jun 06, 2006 1:27 am

The media sucks, if in ww2 they did this crap they would be tried for treason!!!
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Postby ricochet » Tue Jun 06, 2006 2:27 am

Don Henley said it all about the TV news industry in "Dirty Laundry."
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