Do we really want these people running our health care?

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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby tinsmith » Sat Aug 15, 2009 2:18 pm

ricochet wrote:I think I'll sit out the rest of this one. Gets my blood pressure up.

Same here, but "God bless the Kennedys."
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby BobHolland » Sat Aug 15, 2009 6:49 pm

I have not posted in a while. But I still read whats going on.
How about a joke?
Obama's new American Indian name.
"WALKING EAGLE"
When asked why this name the Old Indian replied,
"When Eagle bird is too full of crap it can not fly it has to walk".
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

I don't worry about Health Insurance cause I can't afford it.
If I get sick, I go to the doctor & they want to get paid.
I guess you could say I'm self insured.
I pay them when & if I can. They do get paid eventually. I get charged more than the insurance companies get charged.
I get no help from the Government for health care.
These Insurance companies are nothing but leaches on the American People & take advantage of
doctors, hospitals & anyone else they can.
Government health care would take the expense from big companies supplying health insurance for employees. It's called cutting corners to make more profit. Big Insurance companies won't allow it to happen.
The last affordable health insurance I had was about 10 years ago. It was too expensive & the deductable was so high that I still had to pay the doctor bills & the insurance premiums.
My opinion & no one has to agree with me. No arguments about. :wha: :wha: :wha:
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby ricochet » Sat Aug 15, 2009 8:54 pm

I said I wouldn't do this, but: It's the fault of the insurance companies (and Medicare) that you get charged more than the insurers pay. "Negotiated" contracts that set their prices (which are the "actual" fees) at a percentage of the "allowable charges" set the fees artificially high for the uninsured, and a doctor who discounts them to help a poor person endangers his future reimbursement from the insurers (and possibly faces fraud charges from Medicare.) The same happens with drug costs, which are insanely high for the uninsured, 10X what the insurers pay in some cases. That's done to drive people into the insurance companies' control.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby BobHolland » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:25 pm

Sounds like you are speaking from a doctors point of view or inside the industry.
If my old country doctor wants to give me a discount, I gladly take it & say thank you.
If he goes to the back room & brings me enough samples so I won't have to pay for a prescription because he knows I don't have insurance, I also say thank you. I'm sure his bank account is not fat & he doesn't live in a country club house. He is interested in helping people & I thank God he is there when I need him. Doctors like him are a thing of the past. I play music at the local Country Club sometimes & see most of the prominent doctors from this area quite a bit.
I'm not against Doctors, Hospitals, Drug Co., Labs making lots of money. Medicare gets discounts, Insurance Co. get discounts, so I get what I can, when I can. I say thank you because times are tuff.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby leftyguitarman » Sat Aug 15, 2009 9:37 pm

grady wrote:Because O'Bama has got the Media in his back pocket.
He has since day 1. They'll never say anything bad about the guy.


You don't watch Fox do you? Ever watched the show Huckabee? Hannity? Bill O'Reilly? All those guys do is Obama bash.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby maxx england » Sun Aug 16, 2009 7:27 pm

As an outsider to your American politics, I can't add anything to the health care debate. All I can say is that from the point of view of an individual who never earned much, and has been effectively scrapped by the system as a future wage earner, I'm glad I'm here. I tried unscrewing my right foot, failed and gave the tibia a spiral break intead. In America, I'd have needed either to pay, expensively and directly or expensive insurance (I have been told, I hope it's not true for your sakes, that the ambulance crew would ask to see some proof of insurance before they'd consider removing me to the hospital), to cover the hospital treatment (insertion of fancy metal bar down the middle of the bone) and subsequent painkillers and physiotherapy. And my experience of insurance companies is that the next time you go to them for a policy renewal about anything at all, oops! It appears to have gone up just a teensy weensy lot.

One thing I do see from comments here is that some of you seem to feel (and please correct me if I'm wrong) that those who can't run to paying for private insurance are simply not trying and should really pull their socks up; but how does someone like me, with a history of episodes of medically diagnosed crippling depression pull up socks that are nailed to the floor? Here, I get help, what would I get in America?
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby grady » Mon Aug 17, 2009 3:40 am

leftyguitarman wrote:You don't watch Fox do you? Ever watched the show Huckabee? Hannity? Bill O'Reilly? All those guys do is Obama bash.


As opposed to what ??
the National Barack Channel (NBC) ??
MSLSD ??? (MSNBC)

Unlike the people who voted for O'Bama, I don't let MTV or Spike Lee tell me what to do.
I don't jump on the bandwagon with the sheep.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby tinsmith » Mon Aug 17, 2009 4:08 am

That's their job...to bash him. It's how they make their living.

The more crap, the better for them. We all expect INSTANT results don't we?
They have nothing I want to listen to. I never liked them anyway.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby ricochet » Mon Aug 17, 2009 11:30 am

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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby leftyguitarman » Tue Aug 18, 2009 2:50 am

Interesting article Ric!
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby ricochet » Tue Aug 18, 2009 11:16 am

http://www.nytimes.com/2009/08/18/opini ... rbert.html

Bob, I commend your old country doctor. That's what we all used to do, before HCFA (Medicare) prosecuted some and sent them to federal prison as examples. They said that if you were a participating doctor in Medicare and discounted a fee for one patient, you had to make that the new price for all of theirs, as they had to get your lowest fee. Many insurance companies' managed care plans put similar provisions in their contracts. So if you saw someone for free, your new fee was zero. If you then charged a fee to a patient with Medicare, you were said to be defrauding the government, or the insurance company. They killed charity care. I have to go volunteer in a free clinic to do that. (I've done a lot of that, BTW.) The university I now work for does have an arrangement to designate some patients with proven limited financial resources "teaching cases" with a discounted fee, up to 90% off. They don't have insurance or Medicare.

I am NOT advocating a health reform program for the sake of boosting physicians' profits. I don't think that will ever happen, especially for us primary care doctors who make ~1/4 of the earnings of the specialists. But I am disgusted by the practices of the insurance companies who have gamed the system into the dysfunctional, unfair system it is today, and sucked out the lion's share of the enormous amount of money we all spend on health care, while denying it to the ones who need it most. They are the villains in the scenario, and as it stands the "health care reform" that will be passed will not be a public insurance program that could bring real benefits, but a universal insurance program that will be a welfare program for the insurance companies. They will love it!
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby beard-of-grey » Tue Aug 18, 2009 9:33 pm

An odd development in California, the State is broke so they just enforce a "loan" of 4 billion from local authorities. :blink: Health care is one area affected.
Why haven't I heard any movement to impeach Arnie ?
SPENCER MICHELS, NewsHour correspondent: Cities and counties throughout California and the people they serve are feeling the impact of the state budget and the compromises made to pass it.

The waits for services are getting longer at the Contra Costa County Medical Center and emergency room across the bay from San Francisco. Welfare recipients are getting less money and fewer services, some of which are designed to get them to work. And redevelopment projects aimed at revitalizing decrepit neighborhoods are being delayed.

The principal problem for local government is the decision by legislators and the governor to take more than $4 billion from cities and counties to balance the state budget, along with major cuts in many programs.

GOV. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER, R-Calif.: This budget is kind of like "The Good, the Bad and the Ugly."

DR. WILLIAM WALKER, county health director: I've been a county physician providing family practice care for over 35 years. This is the worst I've ever seen it.

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business ... 08-17.html
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby grady » Wed Aug 19, 2009 6:34 am

The State of California paid for Michael Jackson's funeral.
Looks like they don't spend their money wisely.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby leftyguitarman » Wed Aug 19, 2009 9:15 am

grady wrote:The State of California paid for Michael Jackson's funeral.


Did they really? :blink: That is mind boggling.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby grady » Wed Aug 19, 2009 8:29 pm

No joke Lefty, they did.
They paid for that pedophile's funeral. I think the bill was 4 Million.
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