Do we really want these people running our health care?

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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby grady » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:03 am

That was my point Lefty, They deliberately went into North Korea to gat a story for Gore's Current network. (I actually watch that network)

It wasn't too long ago that I watched Ms. Laura Ling do a report on AIDS in China and how it was spread by Government-run Blood Donor programs.
At the end of the report, Laura Ling is sitting at her Laptop saying something like "This is a report that the Chinese Government didn't want the rest of the World to see but, that's too bad" as she emphatically presses the "enter" button on her laptop.

I remember thinking "You stupid bitch. You're playing with fire and you're either too stupid to know it or too arrogant to care."

a couple weeks later, she's arrested by the North Koreans.

Now, she'll be all over the talk shows, probably write a book and have a made for tv movie on Lifetime network.
She'll probably receive a medal from our current administration and be hailed as a hero.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby leftyguitarman » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:43 am

grady wrote:Now, she'll be all over the talk shows, probably write a book and have a made for tv movie on Lifetime network.
She'll probably receive a medal from our current administration and be hailed as a hero.


hahaha this is so true. You're 100% right. I can just see my mom now sitting on our couch watching the movie on Lifetime and her telling me how great it is. I mentioned this story today to her at dinner and she could care less. But when one of those ladies shows up on Oprah I'm sure my mom will all of a sudden care.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby beard-of-grey » Wed Aug 05, 2009 9:58 am

You guys have got it all wrong. It was to be a glowing report on North Korea, their low carbon emissions are world best practice.
Their trees were all burnt years ago for heating, there are no new emissions.

Only 20% of the population is on the grid, few coal-fired power stations are required, its been observed that N.K in night time satellite photos is darker than anywhere else in Asia.

Just 17% own cars, and only 35% of those can afford to run them with any regularity.

Unlike the west there is no food wastage ending up in tips, recycling is a way of life, and population growth control has a number of successful, active and ongoing programs .

North Korea, our future here today.

P.S. They are so responsible as pet owners that stray dogs are unknown.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby Bournio » Wed Aug 05, 2009 4:37 pm

I always wonder if it's all pots and kettles calling each other black...

I do quite enjoy the nuclear debate... but then I'm wierd like that, and I'm not quite ready to pass judgement.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby maxx england » Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:21 pm

When I see countries with heads of state ordering statues put up to them, posters everywhere telling the people how wonderful he is, when I see perfectly choreographed crowds all waving brand new throw away flags and military parades of obsolete tanks, I form my own opinion of those countries and leaders and how much fun it is for the ordinary citizen to live there.

I'll let you guess what that is.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby grady » Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:22 pm

maxx england wrote:When I see countries with heads of state ordering statues put up to them, posters everywhere telling the people how wonderful he is, when I see perfectly choreographed crowds all waving brand new throw away flags and military parades of obsolete tanks, I form my own opinion of those countries and leaders and how much fun it is for the ordinary citizen to live there.

I'll let you guess what that is.


Very well said Maxx.
Replace the Statues with Commemorative plates, the flags with signs that read "Yes, We Can", the obsolete tanks with hybrid vehicles and you have the good ole USA in 2009.

Socialism, here we come !!! Yes, We Can !!!
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby leftyguitarman » Wed Aug 05, 2009 7:26 pm

grady wrote:Very well said Maxx.
Replace the Statues with Commemorative plates, the flags with signs that read "Yes, We Can", the obsolete tanks with hybrid vehicles and you have the good ole USA in 2009.

Socialism, here we come !!! Yes, We Can !!!


Okay, personally Grady, that's just unfair. Comparing Obama to Kim Jong-Il? Come on... Keep in mind that most of this "Yes, we can" bullshit, commemorative plates as you said , t-shirts, posters and any other form of Obama loving was carried out by fans... not by Obama himself. It's not like Obama ordered people to make t-shirts, posters, etc. like Kim Jong-Il has. Regardless of whether or not you like Obama, comparing him to Kim Jong-Il is just not even fair. That's not only not the same ballpark, it's not even the same sport.

And we are not going to become a socialist country. Republicans don't want it and there's a lot of Democrats that don't want it either. I see the socialism debate the same as I see the gun debate... guns will never be taken away and socialism will never be enacted here. I don't see either happening, ever.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby dcblues » Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:03 pm

Bill Clinton returns to the US with the two journalists who were detained by the North Koreans. The secret service agent he aproaches asks who is with him. Clinton says "I got these two American journalists for Obama and Hilary." The secret service agent replies, "Great trade sir!"
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby grady » Wed Aug 05, 2009 11:11 pm

dcblues wrote:Bill Clinton returns to the US with the two journalists who were detained by the North Koreans. The secret service agent he aproaches asks who is with him. Clinton says "I got these two American journalists for Obama and Hilary." The secret service agent replies, "Great trade sir!"



LMAO !!!!!!
I'm going to copy & paste that !!
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby grady » Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:34 am

You're right Lefty,,,,that was unfair.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby farmaz » Thu Aug 13, 2009 4:14 pm

you yanks are mad, the best thing in the uk is the NHS, think of all the poor people who cant afford health care.

i saw a bit about this a few days ago on newsnight in the uk & some woman was comparing the uk system to communist china WTF!!!!! you lot have serious issue's with anything that is even 2% based around a socialist system.

healthcare for ALL the people is a basic human right, you make it sound such a bad idea when in truth its one of the best things there is.

do you think that poor people should not be allowed health care?...........
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby BluezOldy » Thu Aug 13, 2009 8:49 pm

dcblues wrote:I would love to see our congress men and women use the same health care program they're proposing for the American people. You think that plan would cover Ted Kennedy's cancer treatments? Somehow I doubt it.


I really think Americans have been brainwashed with all this crap about national healthcare being socialism.

Under the Australian health system, Medicare, everybody is covered. However, people still have the choice of having private health insurance. Have you ever thought that perhaps the US is really backward on this matter? Australia, the UK, Canada, France etc. all have successful national health systems.

Use Google to check out some medical facts about the US and you might be surprised just how poorly you rate. For example - infant mortality rate:

"According to UNICEF, the United States has an under-5 mortality rate of 8 per 100,000 people, which makes the United States tied for one-hundred-and-fifty-first in that category with Lithuania, Serbia, Slovakia, and the United Arab Emirates. Sierra Leone ranks first, with an under-5 mortality rate of 262 per 100,000."

"A report issued Wednesday by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) documents how the infant mortality rate in the United States is growing in relation to other countries. The study, "Recent Trends in Infant Mortality in the United States," found that at least 28 other countries now have lower death rates for infants in the first year of life."

Check out this graph: http://www.mindfully.org/Health/2007/US ... 1may07.htm

Don't you think the leader of the Western World could do better than that?
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby birddog » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:19 pm

And there are those Canadians that come to the U.S. for surgery.

http://blog.oregonlive.com/mapesonpolit ... er_on.html
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby beard-of-grey » Thu Aug 13, 2009 9:28 pm

The people have spoken
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/lanow/2 ... forum.html

This was covered on the PBS News Hour the other day, what ever you do health care will be expensive, expectations are high but it does seem a better spend of tax than
ideological crusades in distant continents. Better to leave that with the old Soviet Union.
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Re: Do we really want these people running our health care?

Postby grady » Thu Aug 13, 2009 10:02 pm

I have a copy of this Healthcare Reform bill.

If you accept this Healthcare, you have to give the Government real-time acces to your bank accounts.
Don't believe me ???

Read it for yourself on Page 50, 58 & 59

It's all there in black & white.

IMO, it is justified. If you're going to suck the socialist tit then, you should give them access to your money.
Fuckin' sorry-ass people in this Country need to quit getting everything for free.

Anyone on Welfare should have to take periodical drug tests.
Test comes back positive, Check goes negative.

I already have excellent Health Insurance (that I worked for & pay for) and I'm keeping it.
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