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RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 5:49 pm
by rustyslide
>Yes, I will insist my students use the BCE designation and I
>will carefully explain to them why.

I understand the reasons behind using BCE/CE rather than labels specific to a particular religion, so that other religions aren't excluded; but looking at it further, I would imagine it more offensive to non-Christians (such as myself) to equate the birth of Christ with the start of some sort of "Common Era".

I suppose that's the lesser of two evils, if the other is the continued belief of your bible-belt kids that their belief system is [strong]The Truth[/strong].

"If the king's English was good enough for Jesus, it's good enough for us"...


ramble ramble ramble
I got ramblin' on my mind.

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RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:26 pm
by david
"I suppose that's the lesser of two evils, if the other is the continued belief of your bible-belt kids that their belief system is The Truth"


I would say its more like the evil of two lessers.

I have had to explain that while there is historical documentation of Jesus (as we Anglosize name--but literally, of course)living, he was NOT born in the year zero, and the reason Christmas in is December even though most Biblical scholars place the birth in the summer is because of the Winter Solstace festival the Pagans wouldn't give up. So the holiday was reinterpreted, given a new name and continued.

It's more like Christianity usurped the designation in question than that they came up with it.

I really don't think its a question of getting fundamentalist to give up their strongly held beliefs, but just leave room for everyone else. Any belief system that can't stand up to questioning is a pretty poor belief system.

I question my religious beliefs all the time and people who refuse to question theirs scare me. Next thing you know they will be throwing kool-aid parties or flying airplanes into tall buildings.

There is a preacher in my community that is teaching his church members that the computer is the tool of satan and using one will suck you straight into the kingdom of the anti-Christ. (Well, I don't guess they could all be wrong...)

;;

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:43 pm
by jeffl
I am a "religious" person who teaches Sunday school, and the age of the students averages 70 yrs.; I can tell you that the strict creationist sense of history will probably fade some after that generation dies off. From the way they were taught, real history is just too threatening to their belief systems. Even many of my friends can't handle any thought of the world being hundreds of millions of years old. The Christian Reformation movement in the U.S. during the 19th century really put a chokehold on enlightened thinking in the major denominations in this country. It's very easy to throw the baby out with the bathwater. It's tied to people's concept of the origin and nature of the writings in the Bible. Time will help.

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 6:52 pm
by rustyslide
>I have had to explain that while there is historical
>documentation of Jesus (as we Anglosize name--but literally,
>of course)living, he was NOT born in the year zero, and the
>reason Christmas in is December even though most Biblical
>scholars place the birth in the summer is because of the
>Winter Solstace festival the Pagans wouldn't give up. So
>the holiday was reinterpreted, given a new name and
>continued.

Shhhh! they don't like it when you point out all the Pagan origins in their celebrations and festivals.

>I really don't think its a question of getting
>fundamentalist to give up their strongly held beliefs, but
>just leave room for everyone else. Any belief system that
>can't stand up to questioning is a pretty poor belief
>system.

yes...but more often than not it's the believers that aren't agreeable to the questioning.

>I question my religious beliefs all the time and people who
>refuse to question theirs scare me.

yes, me too. A priest at the church I was a part of as a teenager gave a sermon about how everyone should question their beliefs. Many in the congregation were quite annoyed.

Such a cute little dogma!

ramble ramble ramble
I got ramblin' on my mind.

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RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Fri Nov 21, 2003 7:25 pm
by jeffl
Hey! We got anybody on this forum with the blues name "The Truth"? I don't thinkso. Seems like a good name to me. I don't want it, but somebody who doesn't have one should take a look. I mean, there's been boxers, athletes. . . . I ain't touchin' it, especially after this thread.

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 7:50 am
by david
I thought the Blues WAS the Truth!

"If I am wise at all it is in this: I know that I know nothing, while others believe they know when they do not." --Socrates

I have a good friend who is a Methodist minister and he is always giving sermons about how liberating it is to let go of the dogmas.

I also work with a guy (a PhD in history who is also in the army reserves, and currently in Kuwait) that says the intellegence folks in our military service only have to physically torture the mercenary types they capture.

The true fundamentalist believers are much easier to get info out of. They just bring in an Islamic cleric who carefully refutes their core believes with scripture. Their dogmatic shell is so brittle that any little crack in it and the whole thing comes apart. They are left in mental anquish, but they spill everything they know.

I think that's why some of our local high schools took the amazing step of gluing together the pages of the science book that mentioned the "Big Bang." It was for the protection of the students.

By the time those kids get to my college philosophy and/or sociology courses, my job is to get them to understand that being dis-illusioned is not the worst thing that can happen to you.

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 10:02 am
by houndog
Yip David,
I met a Protestant minister from Eire in a sauna last night, he had just retired last week and yet that "brittle shell" was starting to become apparent.
He was just about to start on the lack of marriage and the effect on the community...and he realised he was a poor boy long way from home and I was spared some bible black sermon.

I parried with " Choh dude...is..."A cheerful heart is a good medecine" from Proverbs?"..he said"yes"and lamely returned "but that is the modified version".

Truly wonderful how this site seeps into my daily life.

TaffyJ-Ro,Blinds,Srvl...JOHNNY WILKINSON....!!!!!!!

What ever happened to Jack Ruby btw?

adios,
Lovat

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 5:00 pm
by ricochet
I cut it down a bit.

Proverbs 17:22 says (In the New International Version translation):
"A cheerful heart is good medicine,
"But a crushed spirit dries up the bones."

I'm quite familiar with both sides of it, and it's very true both ways.

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Sat Nov 22, 2003 11:39 pm
by badfinger
I've always been rather partial to:

"Moab is my washpot; over Edom will I cast out my shoe"
Ps 108:9.

Such a wonderful image. And it is followed by the intriguing:

"...over Philistia will I triumph."

I must admit that Philistia sounds a little more attractive than some old washpot!


bf

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 3:30 pm
by ricochet
Hey PH, you've definitely got my vote for the best performance of the "Batman" theme that I've heard in a long time! I love that! Of course, I remember when the show came out. I was right there in front of the TV every time it came on. Figured the tune out on a piano, first thing I ever figured out how to play on an instrument.
:7

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:23 pm
by srvlives
TaffyJ-Ro,Blinds,Srvl...JOHNNY WILKINSON....!!!!!!!

adios,
Lovat


Who?... is he the guy who liked it so much he bought the company?

'I'd be glad to beat you if given the opportunity' Bluedawg

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 7:27 pm
by srvlives
And getting back to the subject at hand (if it's not too late) one of the reasons I sent a track in for the cd was to get opinions, hopefully honest, of my playing. Whilst I agree that a ranking system may be a little offensive for some, maybe a general review by someone not featured would be a good thing?

'I'd be glad to beat you if given the opportunity' Bluedawg

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 9:20 pm
by ricochet
Sounded great to me, SRV!

RE: BRB CD ranking (proposal)

PostPosted: Tue Nov 25, 2003 11:01 pm
by david
I suspect once more people have copies in their hands--and in their ears--there will be a lot of discussion. I think most here are in agreement that we should not make this a contest, but that doesn't rule out lots of discussion.

My comments on most of the contributions fall in the category of: Wow, I think I'll just quietly sit my Dean back on its stand and have a listen.

I am waiting to hear from folks who can contribute more constructive comments on the various tunes. I'm afraid my "I like it" comments don't give you much to work with, however true it may be.

I was impressed by the variety of styles that we have represented here.

I have a question, but I will put it in a different thread.