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P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 2:07 am
by The Saint
I looking at a pre-wired pickguard with either a pair of P-90's or PAF's can I get some opinions of each?

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 12:12 pm
by ricochet
I'm a huge fan of P-90s. Nothing sounds quite like 'em, though the PAFs were originally designed to and do come close. But the P-90s are the mothers of all hum, and humbuckers will be more versatile for that reason alone.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 3:31 pm
by zhyla
I agree with Rico, I prefer P90's. If you're not too hung-up on the pre-wired bit then you can swap in a humbucker-sized P90 (several brands make them) to a humbucker slot.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 5:21 pm
by goldbrick
P 90s rolling off a bit of volume and highs should tame the noise unless you are in a hi volume situation--then try a noise gate

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:04 pm
by ricochet
I find hum's not a problem while playing. Learning to turn the guitar volume all the way off when not playing and crank it back to the desired point right when starting back takes care of it. I'm also a fan of turning everything on the amp up just a little more than you think you'll ever want, then using the guitar volume and tone controls to keep it where you want it.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 2:27 am
by The Saint
No Biggie, either way, it will be a fresh install. P-90's or PAF's will be very similaraly pre-wired in the pickguard. These would not be dogears 90's. I know the PAF's were rushed into production to be an option for the buzzing of the original P-90's, I was under the impression, that a single P-90 was much more prone to buzz, than when used paired up and wired in series.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 3:35 pm
by zhyla
There's no magic about P90's, they're just big single coils. They pick up EMI just like any other single coil. If you have a pair wired in a humbucking configuration then you can cancel that EMI out just like 2/4 positions on your modern strat.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Fri Aug 07, 2009 6:23 pm
by ricochet
To do that you need a pair of P-90s with reverse polarization and reverse winding.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Mon Aug 10, 2009 11:05 pm
by The Saint
I'm pretty sure I'll go with a set of GFS Dream 90's. This is my first build project for a double cutaway stretched a little wider to 15", mahogany neck and mahogany under cedar body.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 6:29 am
by zhyla
You may also consider the Mean 90's, I have one in a 335 copy and it sounds really good. I have a Dream 180 on that guitar also and it sounds... meh, not terrible, but I wish I had put Mean 90's in both positions.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Tue Aug 11, 2009 1:27 pm
by The Saint
I've heard the Dreams, but not the Means.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 1:28 pm
by kr236rk
ricochet wrote:To do that you need a pair of P-90s with reverse polarization and reverse winding.


how can you work that one out please - are there circuit guides for the uninitiated :shock: ? have a pair of Yam alnico humbuckers on a SA500 which sound unispirational played clean but ok with gain from an amp - but i'm convinced a pair of P90's should sound blusier than the Yam humbuckers played clean?

Ric

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Tue Jan 05, 2010 4:04 pm
by ricochet
If you have a pair of reverse wound, reverse polarized pickups, you wire them in like any other pair. Their reverse magnetic polarity and winding make them halves of a big humbucker when they're connected in series or parallel. The signal voltage comes out in phase, while external magnetic noise voltage is opposite and cancels. You just have to look for pickups made that way and buy 'em.

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Wed Jan 06, 2010 10:56 pm
by kr236rk
ricochet wrote:If you have a pair of reverse wound, reverse polarized pickups, you wire them in like any other pair. Their reverse magnetic polarity and winding make them halves of a big humbucker when they're connected in series or parallel. The signal voltage comes out in phase, while external magnetic noise voltage is opposite and cancels. You just have to look for pickups made that way and buy 'em.


thanks Rico - i guess the manufacturer ought to know, if i slip them a brief enquiry pre-purchase?

Ric

Re: P-90's or PAF's

PostPosted: Thu Jan 07, 2010 12:30 am
by ricochet
Yep.