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RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 01, 2006 7:45 pm
by bigdaddy
It's to cheap to record with. Been thinkin' of gettin' one of them new processors that will record up to 6 minutes tho. The things I instruments I use I just tools, the fact is I'm the Bluesomatic. It will be a sad day when the blues I pumped out by machine with no human touch to it. Probally bein' done somewhere.

On a personal note. I'm thinkin' of dumpin' my band. I made a comment that our music is over produced, it's losin' that raw drive. I mentioned we should step back, stand up our amps and rock the house. At the moment everything is going thru the mixer and them bloody things that clearify everything. I think it's great for the vocals but my bass is losin' it's balls somewhere in all that technolgy. I mentioned this to the guitar player and he said he'd quit the band if we went back to the old way. That way got people up on their feets. I'm gonna give it 3 more shows and if we remain balless then maybe it's time to bow out. If we can't get people off their butts then we ain't doin' anything but noise.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 3:35 am
by lorilu
Bummer. I always think that the grass has to be greener. So I tend to move on from things. I hope if it's not too bad maybe it's just a misunderstanding. It's bad when people can't talk. This one band I could go to it's just his way and there doesn't seem to be any room for discussion. He's nice but...And I try not to state my point without tact. Have you been with these guys long? Maybe it's just a low time. Well, you know what you're dealing with. So I hope it works out one way or another.

My friend has a CD of her originals that she recorded herself. I wanted to put some of the songs on this site but don't know how. She's really good. As a keyboard player I thought she was programming all the instruments on it and recording on it too. But she has a computer hooked up where she recorded everyone else. She says her next project is without all the musicians cause she can't take the drama. She would rather program it all. I don't know much about recording so I bought old cassette recorders. I tried using a Tascam 4-track on her music several years ago but had some difficulties. I may still get a 4-track because I am old school. For now I just wanted to record music to lyrics I write.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Thu Feb 02, 2006 4:03 pm
by bigdaddy
On the next shows I am not going to allow my bass to run thru the mix. It will stand alone. During practice last night I was listening to my bass and it has a good sound. I'm not gonna allow it to get watered down. My bass amp is 350 watts, plenty of power to pump the bars and clubs we play in. With the pre vloume at 50% and the output volume at about 25 to 35% the amp is very loud and clear. Not ear busting but can move people around. It was his threat to quit the band and take all of his money and he does have money if he didn't get his way is what has me tripped. We'll see what happens at the next show when I refuse to stick my bass into his technology.

I, too, am interested in computer recording or didgital recording. My singing instructor says she wants to teach me to read and write music. I'll be able to scribe my songs and then record them for possible sale. I think this is a graet thing. I'm jazzed.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 4:34 am
by lorilu
A few years back I bought an older Yamaha bass tube amp but the speaker got blown in it which is a whole other story. I don't know much- yet- about amplification or recording but am looking forward to learning about it. I haven't needed it yet.

It's interesting that the guitar player says he's taking his money with him. I hope he gets over this but it sounds like he's used to controlling things that way. Weird. Sounds like you're on your own path anyway and it's great when you get psyched about stuff. Mind if I ask how long you've been in this band.

I keep learning new stuff on the bass and found a blues bass book with simple tabs and start my practice off with scales. I'm just going through the scale book little at a time. I ordered Jump n blues bass that was recommended here and that's coming in too. There was also this video set with Victor Wooten and Frances Roccia so I guess it's pretty funky. I'm thinkin I need it. But there was also this video with Dr. John doing that New Orleans piano. This stuff's gonna get me in debt bad. I need a better job makin more money.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Fri Feb 03, 2006 1:37 pm
by bigdaddy
I've known the guitar player for about ten years. Our oldest sons played together in a christian rock band. I've been jammin' with this guy for almost two years and the current line up has been together for about a year. This cat couldn't play 3 original notes when I started with him. I taught him how to improvise. He's come a long ways. My first singing lesson went well last week. The instructor is gonna teach me to read and write music. This I will learn. I would love to manuscript my tunes. After the Super Bowl I am gonna cancel cable tv. This will give me time to practice my voice and manuscripting. Other than football, tv blows. I spend to much time watching the bloody thing. Time to develope new habits.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Sat Feb 04, 2006 3:35 am
by lorilu
I hear you about the TV - I have a few things I watch and I'll leave it on sometimes when I am practicing. Thank goodness I don't have cable it'd be hard with all the music channels. My friend that recorded her CD gets her little tiny keyboard and just does a lot of prep work and transcribing before she even gets started. I don't know all what she does but it's really cool to watch her process over the years. I need to call her.

Too bad about your guitar player and you as it seems like you go back a long way and being that you've helped him along so much. Sounds like your visions are in conflict maybe a meeting of what you ALL want for the band. I don't like when it's just one person's way.
It seems hard to find a band sometimes that works.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Sun Feb 05, 2006 9:53 pm
by bigdaddy
I bring my song to the band and show them what I do. I then let each come up with their influence to the song. It's never "my way". I allow alot of creative freedom unless it sounds bad then it gets fixed. As I learn to manuscript I hope to manuscript my songs the way I hear them. I want to do this for my grandkids, I have none now, and perhaps their kids. To see what was coming from me as far as music goes. I have songs that are not blues also. A couple of duets in a style I would call acoustic pop. I even have some hard rock/metal tunes I want to work on. With no tv I figure I could learn and write them out over the next few years. There's quite a few songs to do. Should keep me busy. I am a giver. My guitar player is a seller. He has his own business and is successful at what he does. I am a loborer. I work to live not live to work. We'll be okay. I can control how my bass sounds and that I will be firm about. I have a line on a gig in a new bar. That is where it should come to light. If he can get my bass to sound as rauncy comin' out of them pa speakers as it does comin' off my cab then we'll be alright. If not then I won't go thru the mix.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Wed Feb 08, 2006 3:02 am
by lorilu
It sounds like you are a really creative artistic person too and he is creative in a totally different way. When we were working on the sand rail there was 3 of us. The guy who was the owner who had the drive and ability and money to hire us and set things in motion. He had the passion and business ability. Then, the painter welder all around born in a body shop guy. Had raced & worked on cars and just lived fully. There was me for the graphics and touch up and learning the painting and clearing. The balance was pretty cool. Before, I agreed to do the job I pretty much straight up told the owner that I don't get yelled at put down or pressured. I can and will do the job without that. He's real hot-headed so just letting him know ahead of time saved me a lot of stress. Some other things happened unexpectedly it was a lot of fun and a lot of hours. And then they packed up the shop and moved to Arizona. I couldn't go I couldn't leave my kid or force her to move in her last 1 1/2 years of high school. If things ever change and they come back there will be other things to be worked out. But my point is knowing what you need and want being able to ask for it being able to have everybody's basic needs within reason met. It's hard for a creative project that involves a group of people and a vision to really thrive but if it's believed in and honored I think nothing could stop you.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 1:47 pm
by bosco
Remember a couple of good notes in the right place is better than a whole lot of notes all over the place. Space between notes lets the music breathe. Now we have a groove. That's what makes people want to move & dance.

Back to the original topic, I couldn't have said it better. The groove IS the thing in blues...everything else is gravy. Blues drummers and bass players can and do get bored in my experience, but their reward is the tightness of the group and the overall feeling of the groove. If they are going to get jealous of all of the notes the guitar or harp are playing, or the percieved attention that those other players are getting, then they are in the wrong business and need to play rock. I've seen blues bass players that fancied themselves as stars/frontmen that were all over the bass neck with animated playing and jumping around and posing with stage moves. To be honest, they just looked foolish and it completely destroys the groove and feel of blues. Nothing wrong with a bass player being a frontman in blues, but you still need to keep it all in perspective.

BigDaddy, you're on the right track. If yer buddy wants to overprocess his guitar sound, that's his business. You shouldn't have to sacrifice your bass tone in the process. I wouldn't stand for anyone insisting on digitally processing my harp signal. Too much gear just detracts from the way things were meant to be...somewhere Leo Fender is rolling over in his grave. My band puts vocals only through the PA, each instrument stands on it's own. I hope your band members can come to terms with that concept and that everything works out. Good luck.

Bosco

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:01 pm
by lorilu
Hey Bosco,

Original topic?

I've never seen a bass player posing and being silly like that, but the thought of it is pretty funny. I have seen bass players who are the frontmen because they were the lead singers. I always admired the bass players cause they were just holding it down and really cool. Never liked too much showing off from anyone. I found your comments helpful for me. You don't have to get up on the bar everytime or walk outside and down the block with your cordless. I'm simple though. Good music is enough for me.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 4:11 pm
by lorilu
Off topic AGAIN? There was an exception I was thinking of. I was in a bar in San Francisco and a female sax player and singer who was most excellent got up on the bar and did her thing for awhile. I wish I could remember names and bands but it's been about 4 or 5 years.

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:24 pm
by bosco
I've never seen a bass player posing and being silly like that, but the thought of it is pretty funny.

There's a local blues/rock band here in southern Michigan who shall remain unamed. They are led by a real arse who had a short cup of coffee with Molley Hatchet about 30 years ago. The guy can sing, but he's introduced himself to me about twenty times because he drinks so damn much. They've gone through a ton of drummers and lead guitar players in the last couple years but his bass player has stuck with him.

This bass player fancies himself a real ladies man...his wife just left him, if that tells you anything. He's got one move that he uses incessantly that just drives me nuts. At a stop in the music, or at the end of every song, he'll fret the bass at the nut with all four fingers, pluck all the strings with his right hand while he slides his fret hand up to about the tenth fret and all the way back down. As you can imagine, it makes this horrendous "BAH-WOOO-AHH" sound. It's important to picture that while he does this, he jacks his left knee way up in the air and points the bass neck toward the ceiling and hold the pose. All right, it was cute once...but after watching him do it all night I just shake my head in disbelief.

About all I can say about it is that those two buttplugs deserve each other. A couple years ago I made the mistake of pointing it out to my band in a discussion about proper gig behavior. To this day, our bass player will mimic that move from time to time in rehearsal, particularly at the end of a perfect redition of a song, because he knows it just drives me crazy. We always get a big hoot out of it.

Bosco

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 6:50 pm
by ricochet
Well, I just got a big hoot out of it, too! :7

"A cheerful heart is good medicine."

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:33 pm
by lorilu
It might possibly be worth the price of a ticket to Michigan just for one performance or I could rent Spinal Tap. Dudes, I am SO excited!! I think I just found the perfect bass amp this guy is selling. I don't want to jinx it until it's home and I've played it here. I'll just say it's the right amp for the right price from the right person!!! Six more hours. I've been home and so sick it'll take me that long to get the dreadlocks out of my hair. You know if this baby is mine you guys are gonna be the first to hear about it. Tonight. See what you can buy if you don't get your hair and nails done?

RE: What is Blues Bass?

PostPosted: Mon Feb 13, 2006 8:35 pm
by lorilu
You know, the first thing I'm gonna try is that guy's signature move. As described so aptly in above post.