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Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 1:11 pm
by doc williamson
Thanks to Brad, I got to thinking about chord and bass inversions and I remembered the first one I ever learned with the bass note as the inversion. It was "Georgia On My Mind." I don't know how faithful my cover of it is anymore but I play the first few chords:

F - A7/E - Dm7 - F/C - Bb - Bdim - F - D7 - Gm7 - C7sus3 - C7 - F

I play a lot of right hand chord inversions on this with full octave chord voicings and my left hand is playing octave bass notes. I also use E as a leading note between the F and D7.

Just writing this out has been a good exercise for me. I play so automatically I often don't even think about how I play it.

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Tue Jul 27, 2004 2:17 pm
by bags groove
>Thanks to Brad, I got to thinking about chord and bass
>inversions and I remembered the first one I ever learned
>with the bass note as the inversion. It was "Georgia On My
>Mind." I don't know how faithful my cover of it is anymore
>but I play the first few chords:
>
>F - A7/E - Dm7 - F/C - Bb - Bdim - F - D7 - Gm7 - C7sus3 -
>C7 - F
>
>I play a lot of right hand chord inversions on this with
>full octave chord voicings and my left hand is playing
>octave bass notes. I also use E as a leading note between
>the F and D7.
>
>Just writing this out has been a good exercise for me. I
>play so automatically I often don't even think about how I
>play it.

Thanks for taking the time to post this Doc. I can't wait to get home and mess around with the changes.
Do you do Hard Times or I want a little girl. I love those!

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:17 am
by doc williamson
I don't know either "Hard Times" or "I Want A Little Girl" but will look through my CDs and give them a listen. I'll see what I can do with them.

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Wed Jul 28, 2004 12:28 pm
by bags groove
>I don't know either "Hard Times" or "I Want A Little Girl"
>but will look through my CDs and give them a listen. I'll
>see what I can do with them.
That's all right Doc. I though you might all ready know them. I was just being lazy ;). I can sit down and peck it out. The piano is pretty much out front on those 2 songs and not burried in the mix. You can hear what he's doing pretty good.

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Wed Sep 15, 2004 9:20 pm
by fred
Hey Doc, are you still out there & OK! I hope? I wanted to ask you & the forum members about 3 (actually several more as time passes!) other songs performed by Bro Ray. I have not heard his presentation of "I'm Gonna Move To The Outskirts of Town" recorded on Genius & Soul (= Jazz??), The 50th Anv. Coll. Vol.2. The only version I know and really enjoy playing keys on was recorded by the Allman Bros., Live At Ludlow Garage, Polygram, 1970. I love the simple progressions that revolve throughout the cut. Do you play the song, & if so what kind of left hand pattern do you use? Also, I would really appreciate you sharing the same info for "A Fool For You" (I play Otis Rush's version from Ain't Enough Comin In, Mercury, 1994. Finally, for this post, what favorite CD cuts do you reccomend for listening to & learning "Drown In My Own Tears" & "Hard Times, & if you play them, please share LH advice. Guys, thanks so much for any consideration! Oh, by the way, is there any chance at all that a guy can obtain a recording of "America" performed by the Master Soul Genius @ the Capital Fourth Celebration, 2000? I've not plugged in a serious search to date, but perhaps you'all already have the info handy! Fred

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Thu Oct 21, 2004 5:39 am
by doc williamson
>Hey Doc, are you still out there & OK! I hope? I wanted to
>ask you & the forum members about 3 (actually several more
>as time passes!) other songs performed by Bro Ray. I have
>not heard his presentation of "I'm Gonna Move To The
>Outskirts of Town" recorded on Genius & Soul (= Jazz??), The
>50th Anv. Coll. Vol.2. The only version I know and really
>enjoy playing keys on was recorded by the Allman Bros., Live
>At Ludlow Garage, Polygram, 1970. I love the simple
>progressions that revolve throughout the cut. Do you play
>the song, & if so what kind of left hand pattern do you use?
> Also, I would really appreciate you sharing the same info
>for "A Fool For You" (I play Otis Rush's version from Ain't
>Enough Comin In, Mercury, 1994. Finally, for this post,
>what favorite CD cuts do you reccomend for listening to &
>learning "Drown In My Own Tears" & "Hard Times, & if you
>play them, please share LH advice. Guys, thanks so much for
>any consideration! Oh, by the way, is there any chance at
>all that a guy can obtain a recording of "America" performed
>by the Master Soul Genius @ the Capital Fourth Celebration,
>2000? I've not plugged in a serious search to date, but
>perhaps you'all already have the info handy! Fred


Hi Fred ~ It is 2:00 AM and I have been catching up on posts and writing posts for about the last five hours. I'm back and here but about a month after your post. I hope you still find this of interest. "I'm Gonna Move To The Outskirts Of Town" is a classic though mostly forgotten song of Ray's. I don't know The Allman Brothers version. I don't play the song but it would be a good one for me to learn. I'll give it some serious study and see what I can do with it.

Otis Rush does a great version of "A Fool For You" but my reference to the song is always Brother Ray. I used to play that and can pick it back up easily. The left hand pattern will have to wait for another day.

"Drown In My Own Tears" is one of my favorite Ray Charles songs I have a 78 rpm Atlantic pressing of it on my wall. Brother Ray's long time friend, Quincy Jones, said this about Ray and referenced "Drown In My Own Tears." Quincy said, "If Ray played a song any slower it would stop." I get the biggest kick out of that. Yes, I have played that for years. Again, I'll be happy to share with you the LH pattern but it will have to wait for another day, I'm beat.

You ask about which cuts or versions I prefer and it almost always is the studio cut though some of Ray's live stuff is great, too. "Hard Times" is another great song. I'll have to look at my CD library tomorrow and give you some titles of his songs that really moved me.

As far as "America" goes and Ray's version my feelings are they all sound about the same. He always starts on the third verse and it contains the great line "till all success is nobleness and every thought divine." Please understand I am not belittling your need to get a copy of the July 4th concert. But, I think it all boils down to moods and emotions. "America" is always a moving song and Ray does the definitive version of it. However, it is our state of mind, mood and feeling in a particular moment that really moves us and gravitates us to a song.

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 12:59 pm
by meilankev
The song I perform that Ray Charles recorded was "That Lucky Old Sun". But, although his voice is in great form, I just hated listening to the backup singers.

So, I used the Louis Armstrong version as my basic template. Regardless, it's a great song - one of my top 3 or 4 performance numbers. It never fails to get a big reaction.

Kevin

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Fri Mar 25, 2005 4:46 pm
by doc williamson
"That Lucky Old Sun" is a GREAT song. I know Brother Ray's version but not Satchmo's. I play solo mostly so I adapt a song to my playing and singing style. The outdated string and backup vocal arrangements on some of Ray's old songs I just accept and concentrate on what Ray is doing. When I key into what Ray is doing it always opens up a whole new world to me and I forget about what everyone else is doing on the recording.

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Wed Apr 06, 2005 3:41 pm
by meilankev
Doc,

Like you, I perform alone - who else would want to play with someone who can't communicate with their band mates? :)

Actually worse than that, my ability to keep time is non-existant. Although sometimes we can intentionally slow down or speed up, I have to admit that I drift unintentionally as well. :-(

I used to care, and try to improve this limitation. But I gave up after a while, and it's just part of the package at this point.

As for Louis Armstrong's take on "That Lucky Old Sun", I've got it on an old recording that my mom had. It's in pretty bad shape, and the recording itself sounds like it was from the 1920s or 1930s. But it's interesting, nonetheless.

Kevin

RE: Brother Ray Charles Songs (RIP)

PostPosted: Wed May 04, 2005 4:07 pm
by doc williamson
I just think "That Lucky Old Sun" is such a great song in so many ways. The gut wrenching sorrow and soul of the song make it a desert island disc.

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