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Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 10:48 am
by doc williamson
Hello Friends ~ Doc here and needing some input. I am very happy with my Yamaha P120 for piano, Rhodes and clavinet sounds. I always felt the Jazz Organ setting was just OK for a B3 but the Variation setting was superior on a digital piano in that I could speed up and slow the "Leslie" down and you could hear that happening.

I have played the Roland VK8, Korg CX3 and the Hammond XB3 keyboards and all were good. I also played the Hammond XB3 through a Leslie and it was outstanding. BUT, the last thing I want is another keyboard or Leslie. I will midi the module to my P120 and yes I know I won't have an organ action but that is a plus for me.

I have been looking at B3 sound modules and Leslie simulators. I haven't tried any of them but have done research on the web and looked at discussion groups. I am looking real hard at a Viscount DB3M, Oberheim OB3-2, Hammond XM1 & XM1C and Roland VK8M for the B3 module. All of them have Leslie simulators in them but I understand all of the modules have limitations in that area so I am looking at pedals. The best ones talked about seem to be a Hughes & Kettner Rotosphere Mk II and a Korg G4 pedals for a Leslie simulator.

Do any of you have any experience or thoughts in this area? I am thinking I will spend about $800. Thanks.

http://www.DocWilliamson.com

"I chose to sing the blues." Ray Charles

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:24 pm
by jeffl
Doc: did you read the comparisons in Keyboard Magazine about a year and a half ago...?(Come to think of it-it mighta been in Electronic Musician) Also,you say you don't want more equipment,but have you ever played through a MotionSound rotary speaker amp...? Did you run across any info. on compatibility of formats,in your research? Several years ago, it was impossible to get Roland's system to work with a Yamaha piano-proprietary turf wars going on. You and I have started this discussion (over the phone) in the past,and I don't think any new products have hit the market in the last year... it makes you wonder if Korg and Hammond have got that market wrapped up so tight that nobody else wants to try to compete with them. Personally, I'd like to try the ones with the mini-drawbar box.. I think it'd be fun.

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:32 pm
by fred
Hey Doc! Hey Bubba! Wish you guys the best of luck w/new band opportunities! Folks @ the Gig thread sure express my words of encouragement! Grady piped prep & opportunity & we all know opportunity often means more good things to come--right Walter?

Doc! Just a thought--w/the intro of the XK3 on the market--this unit has really knocked the price of new XK2's in the head! If you are thinking of shelling out 8 bills or so, you might pursue that route--find out what XK2 owner/users prefer as for leslie related equip. You might end up w/a new stand alone setup that would be there when the 120 begins to lean toward the sunset! LOL! Perish the thought! Ask Ric to shed some light considering his contacts w/organ kb people & Bubba's KB man in his soontobe new band. Good luck!

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 12:57 pm
by bradk
Doc, Have you heard of the Nord Electro stuff? Check this out,
[link:news.harmony-central.com/Newp/2002/Nord-Electro-Rack-2.html|Electro 2 rack]. It does rhodes, wurly, B3 and clav incredibly well (it has some acoustic piano patches but they're not great).
They've also come way down in price, $1,700 a year ago to $1,000 now. I'd think you could find one used for less than $800. I'd try one of these before deciding. Take care, Brad.

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:09 pm
by bradk
For what it's worth, some user reviews of the Nord rack:

http://www.harmony-central.com/Synth/Da ... _2-01.html.

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 1:56 pm
by jeffl
[updated:LAST EDITED ON Jul-19-05 AT 09:59 AM (EST)]Yeah,Doc- it WUZ Electronic Musician,on July 1st,last year. I googled up on Virtual Leslie Simulators, and it popped up EM's website,at http://www.emusician.com.; I think I remember that you'd said you had read this article,but you might find it interesting to re-read it after another year of consideration. It does talk about the live-ness of the various sounds, and features like adjustable key-click and decay. It's interesting to me that many Hammond players liked the B-3, but would opt for the percussion from a B-2, and would swap out the guts- but there's no mention of mixing and matching the various strengths of the different organs in the virtual products. The article referred to something else I had forgotten: the ability of the Korg to manage a split-keyboard function,like a dual manual organ, so that you can switch back and forth between two drawbar settings, for comping and leads- jus' like the real thing. Seems like that would be a must-have feature.

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 6:14 pm
by doc williamson
Thank you all for the replies. I am now looking at a Roland VK-8M module. I have been posting on other forums and this seems to be a consensus. And, it doesn't need a separate Leslie simulator.

Any more ideas?

http://www.DocWilliamson.com

"I chose to sing the blues." Ray Charles

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:01 pm
by papatex
Doc, when I was playing with a local guitar player, he insisted
I take the Korg Triton from his studio to the gigs, for the B-3
sound. I'm assuming the module you're looking at will offer
a similar B-3? It sounded great. I got lots of comments at the
gigs. One guy called it a "respectable" B-3 sound. Can't ask
for more than that! On the Triton, the joy stick controlled the
braking action on the rotary emulator, which was sort of fun, but
I was having to schlepp this thing along with the P-80-:-(
By the way, I thought I'd mention the fact that I'm liking my
P-80 more all the time. Maybe my hands are building up. Mike

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Tue Jul 19, 2005 11:06 pm
by papatex
Oops! You said Roland! sorry!

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Thu Jul 21, 2005 8:53 pm
by dblues
As far as modules go, I would have to agree on the Roland. I prefer my CX3 organ keyboards though (I have 2 of them) The action of the keyboard is superb. Something that was missing using modules on regular keyboards. The sound is close to a real Hammond B3 and is a hell of alot more portable.

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 3:31 pm
by doc williamson
Thank you all for taking the time and posting your valuable input. Since I am older and I setup and tear down a lot portability is very important to me. I have decided to go with the Roland VK8M module and it will sit on the top of my keyboard. This has GREAT B3 and Leslie simulations and is only one small piece of gear. I will also be able to change settings on the fly. I don't have to buy a separate Leslie simulator or keyboard. Yes, the Triton and Nord also have great B3 sounds but also a lot of sounds I won't use.

So, with the P120 I have great pianos, electric pianos and clavinet and they are the only sounds I use. I had been using Jazz Organ on my P120 and it was OK at best. I really don't have trouble playing organ on a piano (and some say stiff action) Yamaha piano. In fact, I like it.

http://www.DocWilliamson.com

"I chose to sing the blues." Ray Charles

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Sat Jul 23, 2005 4:31 pm
by ricochet
About these B3 simulations: Do they let you select a wide variety of different voicings as the drawbars of a real B3 do, or are they just that old Jimmy Smith bottom three drawbars out sound?

"A cheerful heart is good medicine."

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:20 pm
by pellepiano
I use a laptop with the organ that comes with Logic, the sequencer program. It is very good in my opinion. You can even "age" the tonewheels , volume sliders for both hum and other noises, "click" volume for both okey on and release.
So when playing live thats all I use. A small keyboard and the laptop.

If you want to hear the sound of it, heres a little Jimmy McGriff inspired soundcheck .....

http://www.pellepiano.com/temporary/logic_organ1.mp3

... or a straight 12 bar shuffle ...

http://www.pellepiano.com/temporary/logic_organ2.mp3

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 10:45 pm
by ricochet
Mighty good sounds AND playing there!

"A cheerful heart is good medicine."

RE: Help! B3 Module & Leslie Simulator Ideas

PostPosted: Mon Jul 25, 2005 11:08 pm
by jeffl
Very fine,PP! You got da fine chops. And,I agree about at least that sound on that tune.