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Big Road Blues Discussion Forums 2010-08-07T16:55:43+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/feed.php?f=8&t=11206 2010-08-07T16:55:43+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106615#p106615 <![CDATA[Re: Same music from two different angles]]>
I sat in with a good veteran band a few weeks ago that had a Hammond player who generally dislikes harpers; I knew his reputation, from the two guys in the band that I HAD played with before, so I figured I'd let him know right away that I'd take the horn comps when they were there. I converted him from a potential adversary into my freakin' best buddy rhythm mate in about two tunes. We ended up piggybackin' 12-bar breaks and gettin' into some light-hearted head cuttin' durin' the night and generally had a great time. It helped that he was an awesome Hammond player too. :) I respect his playin'.

I think he prob'ly had a justifiable fear of harpers 'cuz he'd been tromped on enough by half buzzed and half witted hackers lookin' to get their ya-ya's and not realizin' that playin' harp with Hammonds presents special challenges due to sharing frequency ranges.

Statistics: Posted by jeffl — Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:55 pm


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2010-08-07T16:29:55+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106614#p106614 <![CDATA[Re: Same music from two different angles]]>
like jeff, i try and give a band leader what they want. over many years having developed some instinct about what sounds good where and when, and what doesn't, and how much, i do take some latitude here and there. one definitely has to know when to be a sideman and when to front the band also. i prefer to play side a lot of the time. when asked to front for a while i will and i'll enjoy it thoroughly. if it's just a sideman thing i don't mind that a bit.

to really show out i like to do that at a jam. i've had times at gigs where the lead singer would give me the vocal mic and then come right back when they realized i may be as good as they were on fronting and vocals. as a sideman i don't want to show up the lead singer! but occasionally i just can't help but do what i do with gusto.
i like a band format where at least 2 people do vocals. i like to be one of them. leading is not my strong suit when it comes to the hard stuff- hiring, firing, working up material, booking gigs. that's why i like the side thing.

Statistics: Posted by jbone1 — Sat Aug 07, 2010 4:29 pm


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2010-07-14T14:25:53+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106327#p106327 <![CDATA[Re: Same music from two different angles]]>
NEONMOONY wrote:
I think a lot of younger bands in general want to play louder and faster, not necessarily from lack of confidence. That's just the way it is. I was there once. I've shared shows with bands that were very high tempo and very loud.
Yeah, I don't think confidence is usually the issue either; it's youthful exuberance, testosterone, and energy. I love the youngsters, and a good number of 'em are better musicians at an early age than I'll ever be.

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2010-07-14T10:01:21+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106325#p106325 <![CDATA[Re: Same music from two different angles]]> Statistics: Posted by NEONMOONY — Wed Jul 14, 2010 10:01 am


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2010-07-12T22:36:32+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106303#p106303 <![CDATA[Re: Same music from two different angles]]>

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2010-07-12T22:26:14+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106301#p106301 <![CDATA[Re: Same music from two different angles]]>
jeffl wrote:
I got used like a freakin' loop box. :D


But, of course, you had the loops he needed! :wink: And I know what you mean about a "solo" knowing what he wants, as that is what I think about when I'm working on one of my compositions: I hear things in my head a certain way, and the thought of trying to have someone else understand is mindboggling. Guess that's why I went with poetry instead of playwriting, lol, but then again, I sometimes write multi-speaker performance poems.

jeffl wrote:
(BTW, at some point I had the crowd on their feet chantin' "Bub-ba,Bub-ba", so what the hell.)


That's outstanding!

Statistics: Posted by bluejay — Mon Jul 12, 2010 10:26 pm


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2010-07-12T20:20:04+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106300#p106300 <![CDATA[Re: Same music from two different angles]]>
I've learned that old veterans who are accustomed to playin' alotta solo stand-up shots have pretty clear ideas of what they want, and if you're gonna play with 'em, you gotta add what they want or they'll play alone... maybe real soon. :lol:

I think the reason he asked me to play with him is 'cuz he was sick and couldn't summon the energy to drive the crowd himself without workin' harder than he wanted to for the money. He wasn't gonna get it outa the drummer or bassist. He used me for a shortcut and it worked. I'd played with the drummer a million times and I'm sure that he told the frontman exactly what he was gettin', and I got used like a freakin' loop box. :D (BTW, at some point I had the crowd on their feet chantin' "Bub-ba,Bub-ba", so what the hell.)

If you're gonna play with guys like that, you do it to learn tunes and get more music background. Nothin's personal with them...it's all about the music.

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2010-07-12T19:39:43+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106296#p106296 <![CDATA[Re: Same music from two different angles]]>
Those stern remarks and cold stares from the other gig's leader, is that his usual style? I'd hope that he doesn't rely too much on assumptions when he asks someone up, as we know where assumptions usually lead. :wink: Nice tip jar, though!

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2010-07-12T19:24:03+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11206&p=106295#p106295 <![CDATA[Same music from two different angles]]>
Two days later one of my buddies, a drummer who owns a bar was doin' a shot at his place with a standup blues guitarist and a bass player; The guitarist is a guy I've always wanted to play with for about 30 years and he was sick with the flu. He asked me to sit in with 'em, harpin' for a share of the tips and all I could drink, so what the.... Anyway, he played the same general songlist as the youngsters from two days earlier, except he PLAYED the tunes. The contrast was amazing. We exchanged cards. I hope he calls me sometime.

One aside: before he got me up there, he was deliverin' a relatively low-energy, slower blues set and I assumed he was gonna hold that course. But, after a coupla tunes I realized (after a few stern remarks and cold stares from the leader) that he was takin' the nite in a different direction, and we picked up the pace. He wanted the harp to play comps & fills very sparsely, and hardly ever behind the vocal, and then romp away on the breaks-- not generally my style. I know I appeared to be a little dense at first, so I told him that I was deaf in one ear, ha. The tip jar was almost $250 for four guys. :D

Statistics: Posted by jeffl — Mon Jul 12, 2010 7:24 pm


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