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Big Road Blues Discussion Forums 2010-05-14T13:36:15+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/feed.php?f=7&t=11020 2010-05-14T13:36:15+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104865#p104865 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]>
TheDude wrote:
On a clean amp it reminds me a lot of the T-Bone Walker sound. It's got that "honking" sound in the midrange. I think it's a great sound for blues.


T-Bone's ES-5 had the middle pickup out-of-phase with the other two, which is why you're hearing that. I can also get some great BB King sounds, even though, to my knowledge, his guitars were never wired/equipped this way.

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2010-05-14T12:24:07+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104863#p104863 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]>

@ Rossfloss: just look up some vintage Peter Green (Fleetwood Mac) on Youtube. For me there's no push-pull pot, it's just wired that way so you get that out-of-phase sound in the middle position. On a clean amp it reminds me a lot of the T-Bone Walker sound. It's got that "honking" sound in the midrange. I think it's a great sound for blues.

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2010-05-13T00:31:50+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104823#p104823 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]>
rossfloss wrote:
I just recently bought a 96' Gibson Les Paul Studio (the glossed archtop version) and the pickups seem a bit too gainy


I had the same pickups (Gibson 490R/498T) in a very similar guitar, and I replaced them with the HighOrders that I mentioned before.

rossfloss wrote:
Is there any link you can post that will demonstrate the "Peter Green" sound you're talking about? I've never heard of doing that but it sounds like an interesting idea.


At 2:37, Larry starts talking and showing how the controls work with the pickups out of phase:
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I have a Les Paul wired this way, with the phase-switch on a push-pull pot.

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2010-05-12T21:46:48+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104820#p104820 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]>
rustyslide wrote:
ricochet wrote:Secret sauce = duck diarrhea. If the numbers are all equal, so is the sound. We're just talking about solenoids and magnets.


Secret duck-diarrhea? My point was that if one winder was known for a great pickup and all the numbers were known, then someone else would have an easier time copying it.

Very true.

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2010-05-12T21:03:03+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104814#p104814 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]>
TheDude wrote:
I agree tone is mostly in your fingers... And between your ears. Which explains why one day I'll sound fantastic and the next day I'll sound like crap with the exact same gear set-up.

As for humbuckers I got some made in Korea Wilkinson premium series PAFs in my Vintage Lemondrop LP that are supposedly part-for-part and wire-for-wire copies of the original PAFs. The neck pickup's put in backwards, so you get that sweet honking Peter Green sound in the middle position. I really, really love the tone of those pups in that guitar. I would rate them higher than my mate's Gibson Classic 57s. And definitely higher than some Seymour Duncan's I've played.



Is there any link you can post that will demonstrate the "Peter Green" sound you're talking about? I've never heard of doing that but it sounds like an interesting idea.

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2010-05-12T20:38:57+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104812#p104812 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]> I am probably not going to rush into anything right now mainly because I prefer 6L6's over any other tube and I intend on getting a 65 Twin Reverb here in the near future. Nevertheless as I play the Gibson long enough I will further understand the tonal characteristics and I might then look into some new humbuckers.

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2010-05-12T19:06:51+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104809#p104809 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]>
ricochet wrote:
Secret sauce = duck diarrhea. If the numbers are all equal, so is the sound. We're just talking about solenoids and magnets.


Secret duck-diarrhea? My point was that if one winder was known for a great pickup and all the numbers were known, then someone else would have an easier time copying it.

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2010-05-12T17:57:14+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104806#p104806 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]> Statistics: Posted by ricochet — Wed May 12, 2010 5:57 pm


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2010-05-12T16:29:40+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104797#p104797 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]>
ricbleu wrote:
I like low output h/buckers as well because from what I understand, the higher the resistance (the hotter the p/up) the more treble frequencies you lose.


The mid frequencies are also boosted.


ricbleu wrote:
I wonder how much time Robert Johnson spent setting up his guitar.


Having a guitar that plays well for you is a pretty worthwhile goal.


TheDude wrote:
The neck pickup's put in backwards, so you get that sweet honking Peter Green sound in the middle position. I really, really love the tone of those pups in that guitar.


Turning the neck pickup around is only a cosmetic change - to get the Peter Green sound, the pickups have to be out of phase with each other in the middle position. One can do this by flipping the magnet (north-south to south-north) or by flipping the hot & ground wires (there are some things you have to do with braided single conductor wire to prevent shorts & RF hum if you do this at the pot end). Your Lemondrop will have one of these things done to one its pickups (neck, probably).

ricochet wrote:
They'd rather maintain an aura of mysticism, that there's some special "mojo" to what's really a very simple, totally generic electromagnetic device.


Well, and it's also their secret sauce, and that information being public would make it easier to clone their products.

Seymour Duncan at least provides a rough (three-band) response curve for their pickups.

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2010-05-12T14:18:05+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11020&p=104779#p104779 <![CDATA[Re: Best Blues-Buckers ?]]>
IMO, pickup makers don't generally give us good info on inductance, distributed capacitance, resonant frequency and Q because you can look at those figures and directly compare pickups apples to apples and KNOW exactly what you're getting. They'd rather maintain an aura of mysticism, that there's some special "mojo" to what's really a very simple, totally generic electromagnetic device.

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