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Big Road Blues Discussion Forums 2009-03-03T18:15:22+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/feed.php?f=3&t=9443 2009-03-03T18:15:22+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91380#p91380 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]> Statistics: Posted by ricochet — Tue Mar 03, 2009 6:15 pm


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2009-03-03T08:12:25+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91361#p91361 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]>
as for me, I switch happily between all of the above and I can NOT get to sound like anything other than ME... now THERE's a REAL problem :roll: :lol: :lol:

Statistics: Posted by jaybee — Tue Mar 03, 2009 8:12 am


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2009-03-03T05:10:48+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91358#p91358 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]>
wirewalker wrote:
If you demand total flexibility then the 335 is a nono unless is has cil-tap, but even then it has no tremelo! without ciltap you will never get acceptable clean tones.


And that is where I quit reading haha.

But seriously, coil taps are not necessary to get a good clean tone. As a matter of fact, I think coil taps sound bad.

Statistics: Posted by leftyguitarman — Tue Mar 03, 2009 5:10 am


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2009-03-02T20:49:58+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91326#p91326 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]>


The dirty little secret is that you can pretty much use any electric guitar passably in any genre.

If I had to pick just one electric guitar, it would be any 24.5" scale length, set neck model with low-output PAF style pickups. Solid, semi-, or fully- hollow, doesn't matter (though you may want a solid body for the ear-splitting stuff)

Statistics: Posted by rustyslide — Mon Mar 02, 2009 8:49 pm


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2009-03-02T16:03:57+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91307#p91307 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]>
wirewalker wrote:
Couple of points for urgent consideration.

If you demand total flexibility then the 335 is a nono unless is has cil-tap, but even then it has no tremelo! without ciltap you will never get acceptable clean tones.



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FAIL!!!!!
To paraphrase Frank Zappa - "Where've you been living - Reseda?"
Somebody just plain did not do their homework.
There are HOARDS of jazzers who would beg to differ, and a number of blues guys as well (bb king where are ya?)
You missed that entire Larry Carlton thing, didn't ya?
A late 50s 335 dot and an old black-panel Super Reverb or Twin Reverb = KING OF KLEEN.
It's a benchmark for clean, an industry icon...

Okay, being politically correct here - opinions do vary WIDELY.....

pEAcE,

jb

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2009-03-02T15:48:07+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91304#p91304 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]>
ricochet wrote:
I call BS on "no acceptable clean tones without a coil tap" for the 335. That's just silly.


I call Double BS on the "no acceptable tones without a coil tap" for the 335.
Not only is that silly, it's an absolute lie.

Statistics: Posted by grady — Mon Mar 02, 2009 3:48 pm


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2009-03-02T15:32:24+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91300#p91300 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]> Beautiful Bass. $3000.00 Played it for about 6 years. Got to where I loved to look at it's beauty.
Hated the sound. Just not for me. Sold it and bought one of the first Fender Custom Shop Relic Basses in 1996. I have been happy ever since with the sound. I did go through a 2 year change in 1999 & 2000. I found a 1978 Musicman Stingray. A real rag of a bass, but the sound was like no other. Financial bad times hit in 2005 & I could only keep 1 bass. Fender Jazz Relic won the battle. If I bought a new bass today it would be either a P Bass or another Stingray. If your friend can afford to keep the P Bass just put it in the closet & someday it will probably come out once again. :D
BOB

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2009-03-02T14:42:02+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91293#p91293 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]> Statistics: Posted by ricochet — Mon Mar 02, 2009 2:42 pm


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2009-03-02T14:06:08+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91289#p91289 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]>
If you demand total flexibility then the 335 is a nono unless is has cil-tap, but even then it has no tremelo! without ciltap you will never get acceptable clean tones.

Solution test-drive a Don Grosh Bent-Top strat which comes fitted with a Lindy Fralin humbucker @ the bridge + LFs in mid and neck. If yoy have never used a guitar Lindy Fralins pickups this is a must-do experience as his p/ups are so clean and open they are magical. This guitar also has the ability to split the bridge humbucker as well as a blend control.

If you dont want a trem then try the Don Grosh Hollow Telecaster which comes with twin LFs, a 3 way toggle-Switch and the ability to pull the tone-pot and switch the humbuckers: this is a dream of a guitar, as is the bent-top and I would never part with either.

If you would like the ultimate take on a Les Paul the play a Don Grosh Set-Neck: twin HBs from Lindsey Fralin, very open clean musical sounds but not coil-tap.

You can try a PRS Custom 22 with the rotary pick-up selector which gives 2 single coil sounds. Pretty guitars but not comparable to Don Grosh.

Tom Anderson's Cobra offers a shorter skale length similar to a Les Paul, but in either a tele-style or a Strat-Style. The p/ups are there own and a hot but not clean.

All the above are potentially expensive option to Fender's offerings, so below are a couple of supprisingly beautiful alternatives:

G&L make beautiful guitars in the old Fender factory, using the original machines and had-made processes. They are easily up to Fender custom-shop quality, whether Tele style or Strat. They have a number of Strat alternatives as well and my personal opinion for the most versatile model is the s500 which not only has a passive blend control, a far better trem than that fitted by Fender, but also a mini-toggle switch which provides an additional 2 tones when switched forwards towards the neck: 1) All 3 pick-ups 2) just the neck & bridge, which gives the twang of a Tele with the switch in the middle.

If you want the alternaive tone-machine and can find a G&L Commanche VI (Strat style), This has 2 sets of mini-toggles which allow you to even mix each half of each pic-up with each half of the others: the greatest flexibility of any single-coil guitar.

Returning to a Les Paul alternative is the Ibanez AS Artist Solid Body from the 1970s. If you can find the moddle with 2 mini-toggles this again allows increadible versatility as one can switch between H/Buckers & Single Coils as well as wich of the coils in the humbuckers one uses in single coil model.

The observations are based on long-term listening tests as I own quite a collection og guitars, including the above.

I would never part with my Don Grosh hollow tele or my G&L S500, whereas the I would part with my PRS guitars which I think are just pretty guitars and at the time a marketting-con. I do own American standards (Strat & Telly) and an expensive limited edition (only 17 built) Swiss Custom-Shop Strat which is a lovely guitar.

Of all the ovely guitars I own, the last electric guitar I would part with is my G&L S500 Blonde Strat with Gun-0il tinted maple neck. These guitars are a well kept secret and give you the opportunity to own a guitar with a build quality of any Fender Custom Shop.

By the way, my response is not intended as an opportunity to 'show-off' in front of my peers, I just want to share ideas that will hopefully guide you to towards a fabulous guitar at an incredible build quality & set-up at an unbelievable price.

Best of luck & let me know how it all pans-out.

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2009-03-02T10:41:30+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=9443&p=91280#p91280 <![CDATA[Re: tele or strat???I'm confused]]> Statistics: Posted by maxx england — Mon Mar 02, 2009 10:41 am


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