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Big Road Blues Discussion Forums 2013-02-20T02:08:50+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/feed.php?f=3&t=13508 2013-02-20T02:08:50+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116263#p116263 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]> A very good Kimock thing to check out would be at his website.
Goo there and in the upper right corner is "Kimocks Korner".
There are four videos that totally explain and demo these "off the fret tones".

Also, I only have my phone and do not know how to use it to put a li nk here to share Kimocks insights. It's all done with slide and a dobro so it's a classic sound for the blues purists, I mean they would enjoy his tone and playing.who is
Rich, if you could post that Kimocks Korner stuff here I would greatly appreciate it. My car is also broke down so I can't get to the library computer.
Could you help me out. Then maybe we can talk about his slant on things.
Thanks, blusbro

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2013-02-19T20:03:18+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116256#p116256 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]> Peace

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2013-02-19T15:41:24+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116253#p116253 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]> Funny thing is, I've always teased my bends and didn't play in tune from fret to fret. But I immediately was drawn to Kimocks posts.
I think of Kimock as a brilliant mind that talks the talk and walks the walk.

Anyway, what I know about what Indian music is all from what I've got from Steve and the great book Steve recommended "Hamonic Experience".
Very difficult read and requires lots of dictionary research.

Finally, has this stuff affected my mojo or emotive feel for the blues?
No fricken way, it's solid and my blues is better for it.


ricbleu wrote:
Clifford D wrote:
ricbleu wrote:Thanks Rich, those nice words just made my day.l
That's a compliment, Clifford, and I'll hold it carefully.

Have you listened to much Middle Easterm music? Music of the oud from the area formerly known as Persia? It's surprising how similar the phrasings are to blues phrasings. Anouar Brahem is a good man to listen to. He frequently collaborates with western musicians eg sax, violin. It's very abstract music, but still accessible to our western trained ears. :D Peace.

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2013-02-17T16:18:35+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116223#p116223 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]>
Clifford D wrote:
ricbleu wrote:Thanks Rich, those nice words just made my day.l
That's a compliment, Clifford, and I'll hold it carefully.

Have you listened to much Middle Easterm music? Music of the oud from the area formerly known as Persia? It's surprising how similar the phrasings are to blues phrasings. Anouar Brahem is a good man to listen to. He frequently collaborates with western musicians eg sax, violin. It's very abstract music, but still accessible to our western trained ears. :D Peace.

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2013-02-17T14:52:00+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116222#p116222 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]>
ricbleu wrote:
You make some very good points, Clifford, and I really like your atavar. :D Peace

Thanks Rich, those nice words just made my day.


That avitar is the product of many, many croppings in order to be accepted
by the Big Road computer. I know not why?? The picture originally was a whole guitar and that little bit is what the computer accepted. Lol

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2013-02-17T08:59:22+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116220#p116220 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]> Peace

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2013-02-15T18:59:55+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116201#p116201 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]> And that's the only way I' going to learn it.
A good blues player can create at least 16 common tones, and the greats more than that.
That little micro bend we put on the flat 3rd, that is one of these tones.

Yes it can be discussed, and learned and the individual can learn to hear these pitches, and maybe able to even play them.

But without this mysterious thing called heart, it just comes across as cardboard playing, uninteresting, can't track it or follow the story, lots of people crash and burn, sadly it's true some will never get it.

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2013-02-15T18:51:25+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116199#p116199 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]>
I agree, play in tune, that is the Guitar Technique lesson and basically it's about bending from one fret pitch to another fret pitch. If you are a beginning bender or fretless or slide player, the first idea is to bend from one fret sound to the next. I aggre totally and the lesson is excellent.

But advanced bends used by the masters of old days, or perhaps slide players, they played the pitch as they felt it, and that was way more often NOT inline with the frets. All good blues players should have discovered it because it's a truth.

All I'm trying to say is these pitches offset from the frets, these pitches can be learned in an academic way. A student gets told were to find this new pitch,, the student practised by ear until they got it.
I could tell you that there is a pitch that 2/3rds up from the 5th, or 1/3rd down from the 4th that is a totally exiting blues tone to play. You hit this pitch with some muscle and the hair will grow on it. Then yoou further bend it into the 4th. Jeff Beck does this often.

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2013-02-15T18:23:40+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116198#p116198 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]> I can 't nor do I want to argue this point, it's all about heart.
What I love about the early blues players and players like Charlie Christian
These guys had nobody to copy from, they had a few race records maybe if lucky, but when it came to paving the hiway of our modern blues viewpoint.
Their bold drive into getting their sound heard. I have to give Charlie Christian credit for his contribution to blues, electric is a'ok.
Today, a true original is just about impossible unless you grew up in a bubble. I have heard sooo much more than Charlie ever heard in his imagination.
The old saying stands, we stand on the shoulders of those that came before.

I wish I had this uneffected mind so I could see if I also have this virgin idea like Charlie, could I pave a path? Very very few people make it to icon statis.
I don't think I would pave a big path on my own, I needed the recordings and all from the icons to show me the way.
The short story is this, we aren't them, we are only inspired by them. Whoever "them" may be. We all have our favorites that inspire us...
There can only be acceptance that everyone is different.

The shorter story,
I have heart, and you do too. I can express me and you express you.
I'm not missing a thing.
Heck, let's make some audio oof us playing together, it's easy to do with anyone with a recorder and a computer. We would discover we all sound like ourselfs unless we're carbon copies of icon playing. Copying a style down to the finest detail is NOT blues, iit's a skill yes but it isn't real blues that is involved with playing almost on the spot original licks, call it improve. But that to me is the heart of blues. I can play "Mississippi Blues by Willie Brown, but I'm not creating shit on the spot, I'm more like acting a part, being able to play that song differently each time, depending how you feel, that is getting closer to blues and heart.

Sorry if I came off sounding arrogant or whatever, I don't want to be that way
I really want to be part of the community, I dn't want to shake off my "professor" way of talking because I really want to share. Right or wrong. I want you all to see I can be wrong and call me on it.
This is me, a west coast hippie, was 13 in '67 San Francisco,
I studied and play jazz, I know a lot about it and am not the best at the hard fast stuff. More moderate tempos are fine, but I am not a jazz shredder. I know much more than I can play.
And what I do best is play blues because of the feeling or heart thing. Jazz without heart is boring, R&R without heart is boring, a cry in your beer country song sung by a piece of cardboard doesn't have heart.

I agree 100% it's all about heart.




ricbleu wrote:
All the way,Texas. They did it by feel, by a fine tuned ear that got that way by playing and feeling and not by thinking. BB King for example lets the bend go when it feels right. I don't want to raise a lot of dust here, but I'll staunchly maintain that it's the heart and not the head that makes the blues real. The old blues masters might have had a high intelligence or they might not - no matter, cos they played it from the heart. :D Peace.

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2013-02-11T19:41:43+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13508&p=116041#p116041 <![CDATA[Re: Guitar Technique Lesson: How to Bend in Tune.]]>
You talk about this feeling thing that is so special to the blues, I get that, arguably as well as you.
The loner, soft spoken like Clint Eastwood, distant at the bar, a mystery, guitar slinger,the crossroads. It's all cosmetic, it don't mean a "thang" when it comes to heartfelt.

If I agreed with you then I would have to remove myself from blues playing because persona is not me. It was always the ones that "step outside" of the norm like BB with The Thrill is Gone", that was fringe blues, fringe in so many ways, using strings, white non blues playing string section on loanthat could read the hell out of those charts., that was fringe, breaking all the rcial barriers with that song was major fringe, the "60s hippie culture loved it, those experiences turned many people into blues lovers. And many of them are here on this forum.
I'm not into the theatrical side of it all, the blues look and cosmetics.
I' ALL about heart in blues, #1 thing, copycats don't do it for me, it was their thang let them have it, make your own voice baby.

Great ears are all around us, if you just listen, McLaughlan has great ears, so did Blind Blake and so does Robben Ford as John Mayer as does ????

I don't want to exclude myself from this blues club because. I'm not a "purist"

Actually my response should be "you talkin to me?" Or "how dare you " or , or,,,

'ears to you =)

Ok, now let's be friends, I'm all into it and can play some dirty blues to make you satisfied

ricbleu wrote:
All the way,Texas. They did it by feel, by a fine tuned ear that got that way by playing and feeling and not by thinking. BB King for example lets the bend go when it feels right. I don't want to raise a lot of dust here, but I'll staunchly maintain that it's the heart and not the head that makes the blues real. The old blues masters might have had a high intelligence or they might not - no matter, cos they played it from the heart. :D Peace.
ricbleu wrote:
All the way,Texas. They did it by feel, by a fine tuned ear that got that way by playing and feeling and not by thinking. BB King for example lets the bend go when it feels right. I don't want to raise a lot of dust here, but I'll staunchly maintain that it's the heart and not the head that makes the blues real. The old blues masters might have had a high intelligence or they might not - no matter, cos they played it from the heart. :D Peace.

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