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Big Road Blues Discussion Forums 2013-01-02T04:12:11+00:00 2013-01-02T04:12:11+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]> Statistics: Posted by flapjack — Wed Jan 02, 2013 4:12 am

2013-01-01T19:31:07+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]> I have a Regal duolian,cannot be faulted as regards looks or finish, sounded great till I upgraded with a hot rod cone.I could not believe
the sound and volume with the National cone.I also have a VINTAGE tricone, sounded ok, till I installed The National cones in it.Tuning it up, it sounded like a RY Cooder movie soundtrack.
I Heartedly recommend a cone upgrade.
happy new year guys

Statistics: Posted by Django3 — Tue Jan 01, 2013 7:31 pm

2013-01-01T01:20:43+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]> Don't get me wrong, I love my National Reso-Rocket. But the price tag, wow!

Statistics: Posted by wwpete52 — Tue Jan 01, 2013 1:20 am

2013-01-01T00:22:55+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]> Statistics: Posted by slide496 — Tue Jan 01, 2013 12:22 am

2012-12-31T17:29:16+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]> Statistics: Posted by abhinav — Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:29 pm

2012-12-31T17:25:35+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]>
abhinav wrote:
I addition to sounding and playing great, the other thing that I must say about the Nationals is that the intonation is great. It is as good as one
would expect in any acoustic guitar. I have been to forums where the idea of a not so good intonation on a resonator guitar is passed off as 'resonators
need not intonate well, since one usually plays slide on them'. There are even phrases such as 'gloriously out of tune' used. I don't believe a musical instrument
should sound out of tune, even 'gloriously'.

I'd like to address the intonation issue with resonators. They have three things going against good intonation. First, most of them have the saddle at exactly 2 times the distance to the 12th fret - there is no compensation at all. On a square neck or a Weissenborn, that is what you want since you are not signficantly stretching the strings with your bar.

A few manufacturers are starting to build a little bit of compensation into the cone locations. Most do not angle the saddle like an acoustic, but some add a 16th of an inch or so to the scale length. In addition, some people when they set them up try to move the saddle break point as far back as possible - that will help.

Second is that most of us like fairly heavy strings on our resonators - heavy string with thicker cores simply go sharper as they are fretted. Many of us run a 14 or even 16 first string and often an unwould third - these will sharpen dramatically.

Lastly, many reso players like their action on the high side which stretches the string more as it is fretted. If your guitar has a fairly flat fretboard (20" or less radius) you can run the action just a tad higher than a normal acoustic and minimize this.

Intonation and compensating for it will always be a compromize. If you play mostly fretted (and up the neck), then do everything you can to compensate. If you play mostly slide then it truely doesn't matter - you've got an automatic compensator on your pinkie.

(just so you don't think that I am advocating the "gloriously out of tune" arguement, I am the sort of guy who compensates each string of each course of my twelve strings individually - the saddles look like a rip saw blade but they play in tune all the way up the neck)

Statistics: Posted by Freeman — Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:25 pm

2012-12-31T17:25:03+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]> easily get rid of it (if you cannot return it, it will hold its value, or close to it, so you could sell it), and get both the steel and brass single cone instruments from, for
probably less than the price of the NRP. They are made in the same factory as the Republics (at least far as I know), but the quality control and setup, I've heard, is excellent.
At one point of time, I thought of them as serious alternatives to the NRPs. The reason I went for the NRPs was that I would need to import them (I live in India), and the
import duty (taxes, etc) from U.K. is very large, so it would already be about 75% of the cost of an NRP, if I imported it from the U.S.

Statistics: Posted by abhinav — Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:25 pm

2012-12-31T17:12:13+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]>
I hate generalities, but in general I have never seen a budget resonator (Rogue/Regal/Johnson/Dean/yadda yadda) that I particularly liked. Most of them have neck profiles and angles that are hard to set up, most at least need a cone transplant. However, they do offer an inexpensive way to experiment with this style of guitar.

The mid priced ones ($1000) have a great appeal - in most cases (Goldtone and Republic) these are Asian bodies with a good spun cone and in theory, a good setup. I've played a squareneck Goldtone and one of their Weissies - both were very nice guitars and would make a great gigging instrument for someone on a limited budget. Unfortunately I've never played one of Goldtones biscuits or any Republic - the reviews seem to be pretty mixed on the Republics - folks seem to find a lot of quality issues with them. What I will say is that if these meet you needs, again, more power to you.

Vintage Nationals are like any old guitar - there are good ones and bad ones. There is alway a delima about whether to replace a cone in an old guitar - is it better to keep it original. In my case the decision was easy - my old Dobro was a basket case and needed a cone, and a friend damaged the one in the Duolian by tuning up to A so I had to replace it too.

Lastly, I will simply say that in my opinion, every new NRP that I have played has been worth the money. They are consistantly good - well made, correctly setup, and sweet sounding. I understand the pucker factor that goes with the price, but I have never heard of a NRP owner complain about his/her guitar.

When people ask me about getting a resonators I aways suggest staying away from the budget ones (or bring it to me if they get one) and at least looking at the mid priced ones. However, I also say that if you've got the money and are serious about playing resonator, an NRP or Dobro (tm) or Beard or Sheerhorn are worth what they charge for them.

And to Wwpete - I also live in Washington state - if you ever in the central cascades I would love to let you play my little collection.

Statistics: Posted by Freeman — Mon Dec 31, 2012 5:12 pm

2012-12-31T14:05:06+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]> Statistics: Posted by slide496 — Mon Dec 31, 2012 2:05 pm

2012-12-31T04:44:30+00:00 <![CDATA[Re: National Reso-Phonic]]> a lot of people who have had the same problems.

Statistics: Posted by abhinav — Mon Dec 31, 2012 4:44 am