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Big Road Blues Discussion Forums 2013-01-22T22:00:46+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/feed.php?f=3&t=13243 2013-01-22T22:00:46+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115522#p115522 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]>
gatorblue wrote:
If you want a full-size and don't want to break the bank, you should consider the Harmony Sovereign---also issued by Harmony under the Silvertone and Airline brands for Sears and M-Wards in the late 60s and early 70s. Harmony was the common man's acoustic back then and made decent, low priced guitars. They decided to go after Martin and Gibson full-sized (high quality) guitars with the Sovereign from about 68-72.
I hope this helps.



Harmony came out with the Sovereigns in the late 1950s. They had aqdquired the name (along with the Stella moniker) from Oscar Schmidt in 1940. The Sovereigns made before 1963 are easy to recognize as they have the block letter Harmony logo. They are nice guitars - the key though is finding one without an inky neck. About the only ladder braced dread I have gotten my hands on that I thought sounded better than a Sovereign was a 1940s Vega Profundo.


Here is my Sovereign showing every mile out on it.

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2013-01-11T03:52:25+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115356#p115356 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]> Statistics: Posted by panhead201 — Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:52 am


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2013-01-11T03:45:50+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115355#p115355 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]> Statistics: Posted by panhead201 — Fri Jan 11, 2013 3:45 am


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2013-01-11T01:34:16+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115352#p115352 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]>
It maybe my eyes but how didi you get that 3D effect on your homepage? :mrgreen:

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2013-01-07T03:12:04+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115300#p115300 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]>
If you want a full-size and don't want to break the bank, you should consider the Harmony Sovereign---also issued by Harmony under the Silvertone and Airline brands for Sears and M-Wards in the late 60s and early 70s. Harmony was the common man's acoustic back then and made decent, low priced guitars. They decided to go after Martin and Gibson full-sized (high quality) guitars with the Sovereign from about 68-72. They succeeded very well. They built a great guitar. The compromise was they set the neck at a higher setting than they should, but if you find one in good shape that's fairly cheap--you can get the neck reset by a good luthier had have a really nice guitar that is loud, clear and plays very well. Howlin Wolf and Mance Lipscombe played Sovereigns. As did Keith Richards, Pete Townsend and Jimmy Page who used his in the opening part of "Stairway to Heaven." One of the best acoustic bluesmen I've ever seen is Stan Hirsch from New Mexico who is really big in Europe and an outstanding blues finger-picker. He has 3 Sovereigns.

You can see both my LG-1 and my Sovereign on my band website at www.southsideblueskings.com

I hope this helps.

--Gator

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2013-01-03T06:39:10+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115241#p115241 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]>

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2013-01-02T18:01:20+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115232#p115232 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]>
As for the V neck, I suppose it's a love it or hate it thing. I love a neck with not a lot of shoulder. A V just feels great to me. I find myself even playing electric style licks on my KG-11. I'd love to add a DeArmond 210 to the soundhole and just play it exclusively.

Good luck in finding the right one that speaks to you. :)

DJ

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2012-12-17T00:34:22+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115083#p115083 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]>
yidakipaul wrote:
In terms of the KG14 - if the there are problems with the neck, as there is no truss is there anything that can be done to adjust it?
From what I've seen the neck looks very chuncky on this guitar (almost V profiled) - does this mean they are less likely to move?

You LG2 looks awesome, having looked at the cost of LG1 V's LG2 I am thinking of looking at an LG1 as they are far easier on the pocket.

Is there any particular age you would look for / avoid?



The number of pre-War Kays, Harmonys, Stellas and others out there needing or having had neck resets should tell you that a thick neck ain't got nuttin to do with it.

With Gibsons I tend to feel the older you go the better off you are. One of the main reasons I ended up with a 1946 LG-2 is that is the last year they were made with the 1 3/4" nut (since most Gibsons built in 1946 and 1947 did not have factory order numbers this is the one sure way to date them). Regular production of the LG-1 did not begin until 1946 (although there were a handful of X braced versions made in 1942). I prefer guitars made up through 1959 mainly because in 1960 Gibson went to a thinner neck which I just do not like although it is purely a personal quirk.

The early 1960s guitars can still be nice but you have to watch out for those with plastic bridges which show up in 1962. It is not that big of a deal to have these bridges replaced though and you will probably run across more than a few that have already been modified. I would avoid any Gibson made after 1965.

While I prefer guitars made before 1955 those made from 1955-1959 can be had at very reasonable prices - you should be able to find a late 1950s LG-1 for under $1K. The price obvioulsy goes up the further back you go in the Gibson catalog.

Good Luck

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2012-12-16T19:44:41+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115078#p115078 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]>
In terms of the KG14 - if the there are problems with the neck, as there is no truss is there anything that can be done to adjust it?
From what I've seen the neck looks very chuncky on this guitar (almost V profiled) - does this mean they are less likely to move?

You LG2 looks awesome, having looked at the cost of LG1 V's LG2 I am thinking of looking at an LG1 as they are far easier on the pocket.

Is there any particular age you would look for / avoid?

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2012-12-15T04:37:52+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=13243&p=115067#p115067 <![CDATA[Re: Vintage Guitars - Kalamazoo KG14 / Gibson LG1 and LG2]]>
The Kalamazoo KG-14 was the budget version of the GIbson L-00. These were really lightly built guitars. While this was good for sound it was not the best thing in terms of stability and you can run across more than a few in need of a neck reset. As you guessed, they also do not have an adjustable truss rod.

The LG-1 and LG-2. The easiest way to tell these apart is just look into the soundhole. The LG-2 will have a center strip running down the back, the LG-1 will not. The necks on the LGs are not all that scary. They were considered student models and I guess were designed to accomodate smaller hands. The necks on the Kay Krafts Stellas and what have you that I have owned - even my Harmony Sovereign - are far beefier . While the LGs seem to stand up well over time, you should still check the bridge plate and top braces.

The LG-1 is one of the best buys you will find in a vintage guitar. They are great fingerpickers. Like most ladder braced guitars they can sound a bit muddy or boxy but lots of folks feel that adds a bit of spice to their blues stew. They are also a lot louder than you might expect.

The LG-2 will have more of the Gibson/mahogany sound. They tend to have a quicker attack than the LG-1 and bit more of a percussive low end. They are also great fingerpickers and at their best with light or medium strumming. But if you think an LG-2 is going to sound like a mini-J45 or something - forget about it. There is also, of course, the LG-3 which is just a natural top version of the LG-2.

Here be my LG-2.

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