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Big Road Blues Discussion Forums 2011-10-26T14:51:20+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/feed.php?f=15&t=11814 2011-10-26T14:51:20+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=112027#p112027 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]>
If I like it I'll listen to it, fake or real. Everybody has a way of doing their thing, I dont like a lot of the new stuff either, but ya know, other people do, and that is the bottom line. Instead of thinking fake or real, just have a good time listening to stuff and most of all, playing stuff.
Happy playing everyone!

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2011-09-14T04:27:40+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=111673#p111673 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]> Statistics: Posted by louistheblues — Wed Sep 14, 2011 4:27 am


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2011-09-10T05:23:33+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=111638#p111638 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]> Statistics: Posted by The Saint — Sat Sep 10, 2011 5:23 am


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2011-09-04T22:04:05+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=111603#p111603 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]> Statistics: Posted by jellyroll baker — Sun Sep 04, 2011 10:04 pm


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2011-09-03T13:47:48+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=111588#p111588 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]>
It's not played on a certain instrument nor by a specific kind of person. It's not phony or pretentious or contrived. The blues don't automatically appear because your honey left you or life got rough. They certainly aren't found in the depths of drug addiction or alcoholism. Down on your luck, homeless, unemployed not a free pass into getting or being the blues. The blues might be a result of elitism gone bad but they don't practice any sort of elitism. I've chatted with Buddy Guy in his club and John Primer at a show near my home. I've traded jokes with Samuel James at a concert and been in the room with many other big players and never once got the feeling they saw themselves as being "elite" or above their audience.

Some certain things about the blues; they did start at a specific time as yet undetermined by the most studious musicologists. They do seem to emanate from experience but no one has concluded just what those experiences are or how one acquires them. Great players like John Lee Hooker struggled to describe the blues when asked. John Lee appears to never have put a better verbal definition on the blues than anyone in this thread when asked however he may have been the best that ever lived in interpreting the blues through his music and lyrics.

Nobody could possibly make an argument that Muddy Waters was not authentic and genuinely a bluesman. In the space of his life he managed to play something like every type of accepted blues that I'm aware of (not that |I know every blues tune ever played). Think about it, the field recordings thru albums like the Real Folk Blues and Hard Again the weird and wild Electric Mud. Can anyone listen to Levon Helm's Electric Dirt and not feel the blues and sense the connection to Muddy's "Electric Mud" album. Levon himself talks about the link and inspiration there. It's a tremendous modern example of the continuity of the evolution of the music called blues.

I'll take Johnny Winters word for it, Muddy was the real deal and so long as I can feel, hear and see the connections between that "modern Chicago sound and Bukka White, Son House or Fred MacDowell I'm not accepting that the blues have ended or faded.

WATERMELON SLIM, REVEREND PEYTON, SAMUEL JAMES, RY COODER, DR JOHN, TAJ MAHAL, MAVIS STAPLES to name a few; if these aren't modern examples of how the blues is entirely alive and well then there really never was a blues genre, it's all just music with no association.

I imagine Robert Palmer could make a pretty convincing and sound argument for the blues spanning much more than a decade, I guess actually he has in a book called Deep Blues, I don't recall anywhere where he defines an end or even a beginning. He just does his best to describe the entirety of the blues. I think he's done a pretty good job.

Statistics: Posted by Disciple — Sat Sep 03, 2011 1:47 pm


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2011-09-01T07:17:22+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=111565#p111565 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]>
jeffl wrote:
I can't speak for anybody else's experience, but I think there's a difference between blues that's played for club entertainment or recordings, and blues that's played sittin' around alone, or with a buddy or two.
I would agree somewhat with the sentiment of farmaz, that alot of what is played as blues has lost some of the elements that made it a special genre: i.e., the laments and field hollers of the early days, a means of expression for the sharecroppers & even the slaves earlier. But, I think the blues artists of the 50's, who moved up north to get where the industrial explosion was,are largely responsible for changing the nature of the music themselves.

They changed dance blues from the low down juke joint music to citified amplified stuff, and sacrificed alot of the genre in the process. They got around white people from the cities & suburbs, and then laid it on the Europeans, and look what happened......



100% agree.

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2011-08-30T16:39:17+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=111550#p111550 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]> I would agree somewhat with the sentiment of farmaz, that alot of what is played as blues has lost some of the elements that made it a special genre: i.e., the laments and field hollers of the early days, a means of expression for the sharecroppers & even the slaves earlier. But, I think the blues artists of the 50's, who moved up north to get where the industrial explosion was,are largely responsible for changing the nature of the music themselves.

They changed dance blues from the low down juke joint music to citified amplified stuff, and sacrificed alot of the genre in the process. They got around white people from the cities & suburbs, and then laid it on the Europeans, and look what happened......

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2011-08-30T12:37:39+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=111548#p111548 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]>

It is real simple imo, blues began from Negro slaves and "hollers" people like charley patton, henry sloan etc started what I call real blues. It worked it's way around & got watered down as it got more popular.

The music went from having real meaning and feeling like with the music of sonhouse (dare I add blind willie johnson here lol) to pure shit that people call blues.

Thats my opinion and I am sticking to it.


And to the idiots that said I dont know what real down blues is LMFAO, You know nothing of my life, try kicking heroin, being homeless, having guns & knife's pulled on you etc etc etc............

Statistics: Posted by farmaz — Tue Aug 30, 2011 12:37 pm


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2011-08-21T11:28:31+00:00 http://www.bigroadblues.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=11814&p=111476#p111476 <![CDATA[Re: real blues VS Fake blues?......]]>
1four5 wrote:
What about this 10 year old kid. He aint old enough to know real blues. But he can play and sing them :shock:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qkpv7rzA ... re=related


I have a Albert king record(as we most all probably do :D). And has a line it in when he's explaining the blues. " that little baby crying in the crib.... She's got the blues...". There is no right or wrong or real or fake... If you have felt it... It's real

Statistics: Posted by s1120 — Sun Aug 21, 2011 11:28 am


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